Is Schutzhund now known with a new name? - Page 1

i got a call today from a trainer who said on a website here in Texas,,,was this next posted remarks  and wanted to know    Did not know that Schutzhund was no more and had a name change..

Would anyone care to explain this taken from a website off the internet..I can post the link to the whole website  , if   this post doesnt go south...ya know what I mean?

from the site:

 

 

It states the Schutzhund is now known asVPG    please explain and reply to this post on this subject.....

 

The myth is that in today's world Schutzhund exists as a test for breeding. Supposedly the controversial protection work associated with Schutzhund is justified as a way to promote the best breeding dogs--the dogs that will produce our future police, SAR, service and protection dogs. This indeed is a myth. For most people, Schutzhund, at least in this country, is not done as part of a breeding program.

 

Why Schutzhund?

In the United States, Schutzhund is mainly a competitive sport. We still make noises about breeding tool, but the fact is that Schutzhund or VPG as it isnow known, is a highly competitive operation that has little or nothing to do with any breeding program. VPG (Vielseitigkeitspruefung für Gebrauchshund) loosely translates to Versatility Test for Working Dogs. This name change has political significance in itself as the former name Schutzhund literally meant Protection Dog, and there is obviously an attempt to distance from the protection element.

 

Competition and the Points!

Because Schutzhund is a highly competitive sport, in many cases the end has come to justify the means. And the “end” is having the highest scoring dog. This dog may or may not be the best dog for breeding or even the best dog for anything, but he has scored the most points.

While most handlers are humane and fair in their training, many others deploy extremely.............if want the rest of this post  Pm me and Ill give you the link to the site this came off of....... 

according to wikipedia, changing the name was a political thing.  still the same thing.

I love the last 3 paragraphs on that page. makes me want to sell my working dogs. NOT!

john

The name change is a few years old, now. The Germans instituted it because of the political situation in Germany, particularly dog-unfriendly laws. This little blurb sounds like it is a lot of sour grapes from some breeder whose dogs cannot are deficient in working ability, so he/she slams schutzhund and inaccurately claims it has nothing to do with breeding programs. Just ask some of the workingline breeders on this forum whether they use it as the breed-worthiness test it was intended to be. Betcha can't find one of them willing to breed to an untitled male, or breed an untitled bitch--and it is not about points, either. Most of them are fully aware that some dogs don't achieve their genetic potential because of training, handling, or opportunity.

Mystere:   At least that is a start to fill me in....I was kinda caught off guard when he called me and read it to me...He linked it to me this pm and I have to be educated on this as I knew nothing about this......i must have been napping under an igloo somewhere,,,or if not being in a club any longer,,,but my partner is...and she still pays her dues to USA SChutzhund every year and is training a female for her BH and  Dave Kroyer is still in Schutzhund who is training her..so I could not give anyone an answer as to where this came from......

SO how does this effect us....and is this post on this website     just     fast talk or what......so Schutzhund is no longer Schutzhund   it is    VPG??????

Funny, but this trainer just bought a dog that came from Germany in June to USA and I or he see nothing on any papers that are any different than they use to be...he has a SchH3 IPO3 kklza   and I see nothing that says  VPG  

On My german pedigrees where the scores are listed  the work above the  A  B C   says   Zuerkanntr Punktazhl  

that is ZP    but no where is anything that says  VPG

Pink papers all say   SV    and all the other info is the same as before..on all other pink papers....there is a whole paragraph in German that tells about the SZ, the SV    the VDH   and the F.C.I.  and  the SV  VDH  FCI  and WUSV are all still emblems at the top....

Sure wish I could read German

nicely put Mystere,

john.

 

 

 

Yes indeed Mystere-I believe the change occurred during late 2004. I remember the announcement quite well because I shook my head in the disbelief that political correctness had to be applied to the Schutzhund sport. But the Germans (just like we Americans) are very accustomed to having such tripe shoved down their throats. This change for the name of the sport also initiated the abbreviation T.S.B. (Treibverhanlagung, Selbstsicherheit und Belastbarkeit) rather than the language used in the past to describe a dog's fight drive and temperament.But for me, as well as practically all of you "Schutzhund" is still the word I use and will continue to use just as I do with other words that I am occassionally called on both stateside and in Germany when I say them.

I did not look at that website mentioned in the original post, but do agree with you that the language contained therein seems to be placed solely to justify a breeding practice without thorough testing of the breeding stock. Long before Schutzhund Sport became a fierce competition for working points and/or conformation shows, it was used to evaluate the breedworthiness of a dog, and that was its original purpose. I know we have moved away from that original idea as the breed lines developed into at least two (2) different types of dog but the original intent of using Schutzhund rules to determine breedworthiness remains the same-at least with the S.V.. I agree that it does sound like the website's owner does not seem to feel the need to thoroughly evaluate breeding stock and uses his statements to justify his own actions.

Regards,

Bob-O

copied from wikipedia

In response to political forces in Germany, in 2004 the Verein für Deutsche Schäferhunde (SV) and the Deutscher Hundesportverein (DHV) made substantial changes to Schutzhund. The DHV adopted the Fédération Cynologique Internationale (FCI) rules that govern IPO titles, so that at least on paper the SV and DHV gave up control of the sport to the FCI. The DHV changed the name of the titles from "SchH" (Schutzhund) to "VPG" (Vielseitigkeitsprüfung für Gebrauchshunde which roughly translates Versatility examination for working dogs). The SV has retained the "SchH" title names, but otherwise conforms to the DHV/FCI rules.

john

 

I do not know about any change of name over here in Belgium, The Competitions are still called Schutzhund. I will ask Rinus Bastianssen our trainer tomorrow evening when we go training.

He should know, He is the Belgian Team Schutzhund Captain

Steve

The VPG title came into being once the Augsburger Modell tok off and became more widely used at the various SchH clubs. Under the Augsburger Modell the clubs make their field and their training skills available to members of the public and all breeds for training toward the Hundeführerschein, the dog owner's license required in Germany. This involves a lengthy written test as well as a practical test of obedience and temperament. Parts of the VPG are used in this licensing exam. Because not all breeds can do SchH and also because not all people want a SchH title, the name was changed to make the various segments more attractive and acceptable to the general public.

One tiny point of information, Gebrauchshund is more correctly translated to utility dog. The word Leistungshund more resembles working dog.  A Gebrauchshund is a dog of many abilities and capabilities, useful in the home, on the farm, as a service dog, a border patrol dog, a narcotics detection dog, SAR, etc. IOW, an all around dog, whereas a Leistungshund is more specialized in the various sporting activities.

The only place stateside where I see "VPG" used -n trial results, scorebooks, etc., is in DVG.