Breeding a Workingline Female to a Showline Male - Page 1

I'm toying with the idea of breeding my Workingline DDR Black female to a Black and Red top Showline male.  How many of you have done this and what were your results???  What about placing the puppies.....was it difficult to place the pups?   How many of your workingline x showline crosses are shown in the German showring and have done well?? 

I have a Showline x Workingline cross as my SAR dog and he is without a doubt the BEST dog I have EVER owned.  He ended up with the Workingline structure and characteristcs, but a little more laid back and relaxed in the home but an AWESOME working partner. 

I am not a large breeder by any means. I'm am interested in doing this so I can keep the pick female to show and title.  I would appreciate any input with experienced breeders and GSD fanciers....good and bad.  It wouldn't be until next year. 

I'm not against breeding workinglines with showlines or vice versa. I think both bloodlines can contribute something to each other.

A friend of mine bred his workingline West German sable bitch to a black and red show male and produced some nice dogs. I was even surprise how dark the pigment was, since the father is on the lite side.

I wish you luck on your potential breedings :)

As long as you have a specific goal in mind  I see nothing wrong with doing the breeding. I have done it and had mixed results as far as structure goes temperment and health were excellent when I did these breedings.  You can get lucky and get a very nice conformation dog. 

I wish you luck with your breeding.

Cheryl

Friends of mine did this type breeding and couldn't hardly give the pups away.  Showline people didn't want them because they weren't straight showline, and working line people didn't want them because they weren't all working line.  The pups were black and tan, overangulated and tended toward being cow-hocked (which came from the showline side.  You must also consider where you want to show... if you want to show in AKC, you'll be spinning your wheels with DDR or WGR lines, because they walk upright like a dog should, and just don't have the requisite built-in crouch the AKC judges are accustomed to.  If you want to show in UKC, why not find a DDR male with superb conformation and at least keep your lines pure?

if you are looking for in-put, photos, videos and pedigrees would help.

pjp

My first GSD, Lotta, was from a working mother and a show father - she was the best dog I've ever had. She had very good structure for her timeframe, and she had working dog drives. She was a very self-confident and hard dog.

I wish there were more such breedings. I'm interested in doing similar myself. I think the female must have correct structure for such a breeding to be successful - you can't expect the stud dog fix everything at once.

Here is another example: http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/448236.html 1/4 working, 3/4 show.

As for placing the pups, a lot of them go to pet homes anyway - just make sure they understand this will be an active dog. There are people out there who take their dogs everywhere with them, go hiking/camping/swimming with their dog, live near the Ocean, etc, who can provide an excellent home.

I was looking for such breeding to get my second dog from, but couldn't find any.

Now, that's a nice dog! You can really see the Ursus Batu (and his son Ghandi--both known to produce good drives) behind him.

Ah but then there are those of us who like the possibilities that an open predigree can bring and the adventure and challenge of breeding a dog with an open pedigree as opposed to dogs so linebred it's like producing cookie cutter outlines.  Plus there are those who feel we need to start putting the breed back together again and others who have enough long range vision to see that each branch (show/working/DDR/American/Czech) is way down the path to breeding themselves into a black hole because they  linebreed so exclusively on certain "top" dogs.

Here is my girl. Hi Line Dad who was also KNVP certified. Dam line totally working KNVP dogs from Holland.  Her biggest fault is a bit too much size and some will fault her color but her clear headedness and courage are without fault.  She is a sport dog AND a service dog.

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/485683.html

more pictures at  http://www.sontausen.allk-9.com/remy.htm

By the way take a look at Tarak's ( dog above) brother Torge. I like him even better. V rated KKl1 SchH3 a normal see http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/420861.html

In a case like this as long as the parents are both sound mentally and physically I don't see the problem. The last dog I titled was Czech /Show cross. As for placing the dog, 95 percent of the breeders I know place their dogs in good homes. You obviously not doing this breeding to PRODUCE a VA dog. The dogs should have a variety of temperaments but most all litters do anyway. You sound like a small conscientious hobby breeder who produces nice dogs. If the mental health and physical health is good ...Go for it! 

As an owner of several dogs with cross lines, 2 with working lines, finding good homes shouldn't be a problem.  From what I have seen the litters can be a bit all over the place with structure, but the nerve is usually really good.  And isn't it easier to place a good nerved dog even in non working or showing homes, I would say YES.  My crosses all picked up the LC gene so I have coated dogs, all but one has nice nerve the one that does't have good nerve may or may not have gotten her problems from a Vaccine reaction.

My male is a showline dam and a working line sire, he is over standard and got that from the dam side from  the grand dam. 

My one female's littler mate was a HUGE female even bigger than my male and both parents were in the standard.  So some where back in the grand parents or back farther was that oversized.  My female is within the standard, but not her littermate.