Dog Bought from Canada; already AKC Reg.- issue with AKC transfer - Page 1

I'm hoping someone can explain this confussion to me.  If you bought a dog from someone in Canada (you the buyer live in the US) and the dog was already AKC registered and DNA'd, the seller fills out all the paperwork, buyer fills out theirs, signed application for the transfer and all is sent in.  Then a few weeks later AKC sends the buyer a letter stating they can't read the transfer date on the application sent in so now they want the paperwork they've enclosed filled out AGAIN by the seller in Canada and the buyer in the US.  I think ok, sounds like just some inconvenience is all; I'll take care of it.  Then I read further down the page and it states that the dog who's already registered with the AKC needs to be registered by the CKC by the seller and then transferred to the buyer with the CKC, then all the paperwork needs to be submitted to the AKC in order for the transfer to take place.

Now maybe I misunderstood what I read; I don't think I did, but I'm hoping because this sounds like a real mess now.  It just makes no sense to me that I must go through such a run around when the friggin dog is already registered with the AKC.  Does anyone have any info that can help me out?

If the dog was allready reg AKC I don't see what the Problem is , Now I bought a pup which was born in canada and before I could reg the dog AKC I need the CKC papers first .

If a dog was born in Canada and it is a reg.dog it needs to be CKC reg first then you can get the dog reg.with AKC. Now if the dog was born here and akc reg. then sold to the new owner in Canada there should not be a problem.

Agar, I think the dog does have to be registered by the Canadian seller CKC first.  A few years ago there was a big problem with a Canadian buyer of multiple pink papered dogs that first came to the US (to the importer).  The buyer could not CKC register the dogs with pink papers although that was really the line of ownership.  The dogs had to first be registered AKC by the "importer" and then "CKC".  Unfortunately in this case (13 dogs) the paperwork was used by the "importer" as a negotiating tool.  I believe at the time the CKC did graciously waived the requirement to AKC register the dogs first and accepted the pink papers.  It was a mess and about $100,000 was at stake.  The importer had used the documentation at the time as ransome. 

Get the paperwork done like the AKC requires. 

If you look at the WDA site and the regulations of ownership of a dog that will be exhibited by an owner residing in the USA, the dog must be AKC registered.  I recently purchased a female that is however still located in Germany for titlig.  If I want to show her here, I need to get the AKC paperwork filed as I am a US resident.

So, would someone please explain to me why the CKC site provides forms for a U.S. resident to register a AKC registered dog with the CKC???

This whole thing does NOT make sense! I suggest you call the AKC and get it straightened out over the phone!  The number is given on their website.

This dog I'm speaking of was not a puppy purchased.  It was an adult dog that was imported by a kennel here in the US then sold to the kennel in Canada which is who I got the dog from.  So it appears that the kennel who owned her in the US had did the AKC registration along with the DNA all as it should have been done; this is why I am so puzzled as to what is the problem???  Ok so the dog got sold to someone in Canada, she was still registered by the US owner and now just so happend to get sold back to the US.  It just sounds like there has to be a more efficient way to get this handled instead of having to now go back to the seller, have them go through hoops with the CKC despite the fact I will never have any need for the paperwork otherwise and then go back through the hassles with the AKC all over again. 

I'm gonna call the AKC and CKC on Monday to see what they tell me cause it just sounds like a bunch of BS to me.  I am sooo irritated with this news right now.  When I imported Agar I went through the process with the AKC, had him DNA'd and it was a fairly painless process without issues.  I don't even think the Canadian kennel I bought her from is aware they were to CKC register her.  Well anyways, thanks for trying to help out.  Looks like this is gonna be a total fiasco over something so stupid.

I just realized I did not adequately explain my above post. This form is specifically so a U.S. resident (who has NO intention of moving to Canada) can register his American born AKC registered dog with the CKC, and compete in CKC shows without being charged extra fees!  So, if an AKC registered dog can have DUAL registration...why the fuss about this dog?

Don't make sense...not at ALL!

I think you'll find out this whole thing is a tempest in a teapot over a date that the bureaucrat processing the papers couldn't read!

If the dog was owned by someone in Canada, then the dog does needs to be CKC registered and ownership needs to transfer first in Canada before an AKC will transfer ownership.

I recently bought a dog that was inmorted from Germany and registered with AKC.  The dog was the sold to someone in Canada.  I then bought the dog (I am in the US).  As far as the AKC is concerned the dog is and import (from Canada).  The AKC requires a bescheinegung from the SV that confirms ownership from a dog imported from Germany prior to getting an AKC registration.  They also reguire proof of ownership transfer in Canada prior to issuing the AKC papers.  It is an extra step but it isn't really a big deal as long as the person you bought the dog from cooperates and gets the dog CKC registered.  I think it took almost 2 months for my dog to get his CKC registration.  Unfortunately you will need to provide the person you bought the dog from the AKC papers so they can get the dog registered.

Sunsilver,

It is red tape but red tape to ensure that the correct line of ownership is followed.  Some things don't make sense but they are the regulations. 

I am a German citizen and you would think, that pink papers would suffice for me for importing my female to a show and exporting her again for completion of titling or breeding.  But that is not the case.  I reside in the US and the dog has to be AKC registered if I want to do this.  As an example, if the dog was still owned by her breeder and the dog shown in the USA, that would be AOK. 

The cross border scenario also has something to do with a "Sale", meaning "sales tax" or "customs taxes".  A dog is a commodity and even the sale of a live animal is subject to taxation.  The breed clubs must abide by the laws regarding importation of any commodity.  This is why, I believe alot of what we term "red tape" or "makes no sense" is in fact very common sense. 

The sale of dogs are also subject to taxation and customs taxes.  Most of the dog sales go untaxed. . . but in reality it is just like any other commodity and is taxable.  The breed clubs must adhere to laws and international laws. 

Just imagine if we had to pay taxes on every puppy sold.  LOL. Could go into a nice Animal rehabilitation fund.

 So that means once I get the CKC papers I should not have a problem to get them Reg. with Akc?

I did not know there is so much red tape, but thinking about it it does make sence. This is very confusing.

Once I Reg.with Akc are my dogs then still reg. with CKC ? Like a duel registration?

delacruz- I went to the CKC website and Sunsilver was correct in what she stated above.  It seems like a waste of time to me because I have no use for the CKC but whatever, I'll do what I gotta do even though it's pretty assinine to me. lol

It just doesn't make sense that the dog is already in the AKC's system.  Her DNA is recorded so why I have to go through all this red tape is beyond me.  I trust that the kennel I bought her from will cooperate, they just aren't as "speedy" in getting things done.  I have emailed them already with my dilema and hope to hear back soon.  My concern is that I just bred my bitch with my male thinking I was ahead of the game on the paperwork trail.  I was "assuming" when I saw the AKC envelope today that it was her AKC papers with my name on them but instead I was blindsided with this letter that now is gonna delay the process for who knows how long.  I didn't want this to be an issue for me.  I wanted puppy buyers to have a smooth transaction without having to tell them the "paperwork is in the mail" type story that so many get told and turns sour.  This wasn't how I intended to do business as some folks including myself would be reluctant to buy from a total stranger under these circumstances.  I'm gonna bitch about this one to the AKC because it's ridiculous IMO.  If anything maybe it'll make me feel better to just vent to them. LOL

But if Kovey has already been through this and it sounds like the same situation I'm in, then I trust that what he says is the way it is.  At least I have a couple months before the litter is born and then I have several more weeks before pups are ready to leave so hopefully this will be resolved in that time.  Thanks everyone for your help.  Wasn't what I wanted to hear but at least I know what I gotta do now.