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by VonIsengard on 22 February 2008 - 03:02
Ok, I've been out of the loop, its been a long time since I've a puppy to show or a new dog to title and now we have a new girl.
What exactly are the rules regarding scorebooks (SchH USA vs WDA), will both organization accept each others' titles from an SV judge, etc. I know some rules were changing when I titled my last dog, but I'd like to know what, if anything has changed. For example, if we get a SchH1 at a WDA trial, under an SV judge, can we use it for a breed survey at a USA show, will it count at the USA seiger show, etc. Does SchH USA still no longer accept/certify WDA scorebooks? Or do I need to stick with 1 organization completely? Someone break it down for me. Thanks!
by hodie on 22 February 2008 - 03:02
USA does not accept any scorebook from any other organization without it being "certified", meaning it must be signed off on by USA at a cost. Unless there has been a change I do not believe USA accepts WDA scorebooks). And no, you cannot get a breed survey with a WDA scorebook at a USA event. To show a dog at 12 months or older at a USA event one must also be a member of USA.
I have found that it is simply much easier to stick with one organization and one set of who wants to put it to the other organizations...... Sad that it is that way, but it is. I think the SV told USA they must accept WDA scorebooks signed by SV judges, but I am not sure in actuality if this is now happening. Maybe someone else knows for certain.

by VonIsengard on 22 February 2008 - 04:02
So lets say I get a USA scorebook, have it WDA certified. I get a BH under an SV judge at a WDA event, I cannot go for a SchH1 at a USA trial because they wil not recognize the BH? If I get a SchH1 at a WDA event (SV judge) will my dog not be eligible for the working class at the USA Seiger show? If so, that really sucks. Is there a way to be eligible for both organizations? (without sending my dog to germany for an SV trial...that'll never happen)
I titled my girl right before USA changed the rule, I probably have one of the last WDA scorebooks certified by USA.
I think all organizations should accept anything done under an SV judge, I think all you do is hurt schutzhund enthusiasts and serious breeders otherwise...but that's junior high politics for you.
Anyone know for certain?
by hodie on 22 February 2008 - 04:02
I agree with you but I do not think that USA accepts WDA scorebooks, even if signed by an SV judge. But I could be incorrect so lets' see what Nia or someone else says. I have constantly run into this issue with scorebooks at events my club holds and it does not make it easy for us holding events either......
Further, to be a member of the USA SchH 3 club the BH and all titles must have been earned under USA judges at USA events (or SV judges at USA events).

by Mystere on 22 February 2008 - 05:02
by hodie on 22 February 2008 - 05:02
Mystere has the complete answer.....LOL thanks.

by KYLE on 22 February 2008 - 07:02
Call UScA to confirm. I believe you can mail your both score books to UScA with the title earned and it will be noted in the opposing score book. Title earned at WDA trial by SV Judge. Mail WDA scorebook and UScA book to UScA. UScA will note in UScA scorebook that title was earned. Vice versa for WDA. Must be current member of org. that the book is going to be updated.
Kyle

by Mystere on 22 February 2008 - 17:02
Kyle,
If you simply submit BOTH scorebooks to the judge at the trial, you do not have to send any scorebook anywhere ( and risk it being LOST IN THE MAIL). You also save postage. Simple.
by Louise M. Penery on 22 February 2008 - 20:02
If you title a dog under an SV judge at a WDA event---and the SV judge enters the title in a UScA scorebook, you must still mail the scorebook to the USA office in order to have the title entered into the UScA database. Otherwise, UScA has no way of knowing what titles were acquired at WDA trials.
Trust me--I've been there--I never bothered to get a WDA scorebook. If I were to enter at a WDA trial (with an SV judge), the judge would simply record the title in the UScA scorebook--which you must submit to the USA office to have the title recorded.
At WDA breed surveys (with SV judges), the UScA scorebook is good enough--provided that the titles were achieved under SV judges.
For UScA titles/breed surveys, I have sent the necessary documentation (including verification of titles, "a" stamps and OFA cerification) to the WDA office.
The WDA will also accept a UScA tattoo that has been recorded on a breed survey and on the AKC-4-generation-certified pedigree (which also contains the dog's SV number acquired through UScA). Therefore, one need not go to a vet for completion of the WDA's tattoo paperwork.
IOW, if one goes to NASS, the WDA will accept all UScA documentation of tattoos, xrays, titles (SV judges), breed surveys SV judges), and show cards (SV judges).
Yes, one must be a current member (in good standing) of both UScA and the WDA.
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