Grrrrr.... Some people!! - Page 1

I just felt that this was worth venting....

There is a person in Michigan who decided she loved the "German Shepherd" so much that she decided to run out and MASS purchase quite a few pups and young adults to breed.  She purchased a female from me with the intention of possibly using her as a sport dog and possibly for breeding in the future. She has however put her up for sale because she "isnt what she thought she'd be".  This pup isn't even 6 months old yet!!  She has a litter advertised here titled "Litter due March 2nd". She feels that because she has a reasonably close friend that breeds that she has her back covered. Her dogs are not titled or OFA'd and the female isn't even two yet. She believes that because their grandparents are titled and have "imported lines" that this covers it.  She cannot reasonably define her breeding purpose and justly put made me sreaming mad by being evasive when asked questions and telling me everyone had an opinion!  To frost this cake she is asking between 1000 and 1500 for these pups!!  Because they could be used for protection and or police work too.  It is hard enough to place pups with the economy the way it is without someone putting pups on the ground that are going to end up in shelters or rescues because of someones stupidity.

I don't know if anyone else agrees but I feel better...

Thanks,

Shannan :)

Did you let this lady and your therapist know how you feel?  That is where I would start.

I hope her friend is ready to take the litter.

Any pup can end up in a shelter.

As for not being able to define her purpose for breeding..........how about greed, same as most every other breeder :)

Speaknow, i am not sure if you are refering to our comments or the litter. If directed at us, the economy is changing and rapidly.  I would bet there alot of pups and dogs out there for sale. For myself, I fear for the litters that will not be able to get good homes. Most Breeders are not wealthy, they can only support the dogs for so long. People who are just getting in and trying to make money from selling the dogs are going to have a ruff time of it. Just look at the board at what is for sale. It would not be the first time a novice has come to the board for help in selling/giving away a litter. It is frustrating for the breeders who have been doing this all their lives and do the right thiings when breeding, Health/temperment. When they could have sold a good pup, and a BYB does not take the time or financially insure that the parents are breed quality. All of their pups will not be 100%, but the risk is stacked on thier side.

 In a perfect world no one would breed a litter unless they could ensure that they could keep the pup or the dog long enough to find it a permanent home. It is not just BYBs who breed and then dump the pups as soon as they can. If one cannot support the litter for as long as it takes I do not think one should be breeding. If breeders were not simply selling pups for the money, I would not see so many mismatches and so many dogs in need of homes. Further, people who breed like this more often than not have no clue about the working ability or temperament of the dogs they breed or will produce, let alone know anything about health, genetics etc.

Just look on this board long enough and one will see ads reading "Pups Must Go" type ads. That says it all for me and this is someone I would never consider buying a dog from. The person you mention is simply unethical based on your information, but welcome to the real world.

Triodegirl, you got'er nailed!

Ideally, of course, breeders produce puppies in order to advance and further The Breed. NOT so that a bitch can enjoy motherhood just once (did you really mean that, Speaknow, or was it tongue-in-cheek?), and NOT so that the little ones can experience the miracle of birth, NOR so the male can shoot his wad at least once before we cut his jewels off. To further the breed and make each generation better than its predecessors.

And yet . . . out there in the holler Carl puts Wolf to Kalli and everyone gathers round to ooh and ahh, and up in Michigan someone buys a bunch of dogs to make puppies, and elsewhere someone breeds a nearly 10 year old bitch back-to-back, just one last time.

Yes, doing it right, doing it to the SV standard with show ratings and working titles and breed surveys and X-rays and stud fees is expensive and that first litter isn't going to reach break even. But all the others will. Do the math. Two qualified bitches, two litters each per year, an average of 6 pups per litter selling at, conservatively, $1,500 per pup.

And they say it's not for the money? Poppycock!

Aqua, there alot of breeders out there that are only gettng $500 per pup when the times are good.

IF you think within 6 to 8 months, they can get $100 for a pup, you better wake up and smell the Coffee.