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by NWilz on 19 February 2008 - 03:02

by hodie on 19 February 2008 - 03:02
Sounds like you need a detective locating service and then the police involved, unless you sold the dog to him. If you sold the dog, then good luck proving anything. You would have to have some serious evidence of abuse.....

by Two Moons on 19 February 2008 - 05:02
This guy could be found, but how would you prove ownership of the dog?
Your pretty vague about this . What kind of contract did you enter into in the first place?

by NWilz on 19 February 2008 - 13:02
It's a long story, but in short, the contract stated only natural and RAW food...he admitted feeding her cheap stuff. He admitted hitting her with a 2x4, which was not specified in the contract but something that sure as hell should not happen. The contract stated vet care and he called and said he thought she was dying and refused to take her to the vet. No heartworm prevention which was in the contract. She was chained and of course that was unacceptable in the contract. I'd have to look at the contract again to see how many ways he's violated it.. Obviously, the guy doesn't need to have dogs, especically not my dog. The contract stated that if ONE provision was broken, the dog came back to me. She is tattooed and on the contract her tattoo number is specified. I can find the guy, have confronted him, and he will not let me see the dog. I now find out he has a bad history with dogs, and with the law. I want to know what happened to my dog. I have looked everywhere for her (the guy changed addresses like people change clothes) with no luck. I hope he did sell her to someone who she is safe with, but I still want to know. Also, this idiot is now breeding German Shepherd so....I don't even want to go there.

by Two Moons on 19 February 2008 - 14:02
You mean you sold this dog!! And you have a restrictive contract maybe what? three pages long...
This dogs not missing.
I wouldnt even sign one of those rediculas contracts.
What makes you think you could even enforce such dribble.
I'm sorry but if thats the whole story in a nut shell...
The worlds full of idiots pard my french!

by NWilz on 19 February 2008 - 14:02
I did not sell the dog, the dog was adopted (at no charge) and I was to remain a co-owner. In that situation I do feel I have the right to protect my dog from abuse. If I had sold the dog and then found out she was being hit by a 2x4, chained up in the backyard with a chain around her neck--no collar, hardly fed, near dead, and no one would take her to the vet, I would still be livid and trying to help the dog. It was irresponsible of me in the first place to let her end up in such hands (but I am not the only one who has made that mistake with this guy) and now I want the dog safe. If wanting a dog who depended on me for care to be safe and not abused makes me an idiot in your book, Two Moons, then I'll remain an idiot. And if you aren't willing to sign a contract that a dog will receive vet care when needed, will be on heartworm preventate, wiil be fed decent food, and won't be chained for long periods of time, you would not get a dog from this idiot.

by Two Moons on 19 February 2008 - 15:02
Information changes everything NWilz,
Co-ownership is a partnership. I can see conditions in an agreement. I gotta tell you tho some of these sales contracts I've see are rediculas and un-enforcible.
I'm sorry your not an idiot, you just chose the wrong partner.
So back to square one... yes this guy can be found. It would cost money. How much depends on how hard this guys trying to hide. He's not gone underground over a dog.
I've done this in the past, any detective could do the same. Its not really that hard to do unless someones really serious about hiding.
I expect since this was your partner that you have quite a bit of info on him.
Decide how much your willing to spend then contact a detective agency, shop around. They will rip you off as quick as anyone. Make a wise choice this time.
I would offer but I have to much going on right now. I enjoy doing that sort of thing. It shouldnt take a professional more than a couple of days. If they tell you it could take longer go elsewhere.
I'd like to know how this turns out.

by NWilz on 19 February 2008 - 15:02
Two Moons,
Thanks. I do admit I got pretty specific with the contract but it's because I love this dog and wanted her to have the same treatment elsewhere that she had here.
After a long search, I did find the guy but not my dog. Confronted him and he refused to show me my dog. My dog was not on the property. I have checked two of the addresses he stays at and no luck. I am trying to find where else he stays. Problem is, the guy is a drifter. The house that was supposed to be his isn't really his and he doesn't stay there anymore...or I've not found him there. I've also found out that it's not just me he's hiding from....he sells dogs with promises of papers and never delivers....so he's basically hiding from everyone who's bought a dog from him and probably more people who were stupid like me and co-owned him or people who took payments on a dog with him.
I really want to see how this turns out too. I am hopeful that he sold her and she's in good hands. Until I find out for sure, I will continue to look for her. I just hope that she is okay.

by Two Moons on 19 February 2008 - 15:02
He sounds like a real creep. I would suggest a lawyer but if he is as you say that would be a waste of time and money.
My guess is he sold the dog, and my feeling is that most people would take good care of it.
You wouldn't be breaking any laws to post the guys name. People like this do not go on forever without punishment. He'll get his someday I'm sure, it goes with the territory.
I dont know how you'd get him to tell you where the dog is short of slamming him up against a wall with a bat in your hand. Some people only understand violence and it makes us less to be lowered to that standard. I should stop here before I say something I cant take back.
Keep on him if you can, maybe he'll give it up.
by 1doggie2 on 19 February 2008 - 16:02
From what you are saying he is always in need of money, offer to purchase her back. I am sorry for your worry and admire you for posting here trying to do right by her.
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