Everyone needs a bad guy.... - Page 1

...to point their fingers.--Tony Montana

I find it a bit disturbing to read the threads on the board lately.  i know the show vs. work issue has been beaten more times than a three-legged show dog, but this is rediculous.  One thread talks about a GSD being stolen out of someone's living room, another talks about some white paws on a dog, and there are plenty more. 

First off, I feel for the victims. Truly, I think I do, but what has become of our GSD?  I would be embarrased to tell someone that somebody other than Jason Bourne and a bag full of tranquilizers, stole my GSD out of my own living room.  In the other thread, I understand that the victim was screwed by deception.  I understand that, but what is a GSD for?  Is it to prance in a circle and let a judge feel for his nuts?  If that little guy can work and has a grip like an alligator, I wouldn'r care if his nipples were  orange. 

People keep asking why the breed is going into the shitter and this is a big part of it.  You have more people breeding for showdogs without a care in the world for everything the GSD should be.  Look at early pictures of GSD's and they are dark sable without a roach back.  These people are not concerned with the dog's nerve, courage, drives, grips, etc.  They want to make sure that some old  Blue-hair, wearing eveningwear, thinks that their dog is pretty. 

Go talk to a Malinois person about appearance.  Most of them could give two shits!  Neither could the Police and Military.  Why do you think they have almost all gone to the Malinois?  It has nothing to do with looks.  If anything, the police would prefer the GSD's appearance because they are bigger, well known and more intimidating.  Malinois look like little  mixes that will work all day and night.    The Malinois is still a rather well put together breed.  They have not been hidered by the show ring.  Breeders of Malinois have one goal in mind, work. 

I hate trying to explain to people in the world, the differences in GSDs.  I hate having to tell people that the breed has split into two seperate breeds.  I hate looking at a GSD that is dragging on his ass.  What function does that serve? 

i like the fact that we teach our kids that color doesn't matter, but our dogs have to be black and tan/red.

If you googled GSD breeders in your state, you would have an enourmous amount of breeders and all of them would be charging too much for a flooded market of GSDs.  Do the same thing with another breed.  Try Black and Tan Coonhounds or Bullmastiffs.  I did this for shits and giggles and it took me over an hour to find a Black and Tan breeder in my state.  Bullmastiffs were a little quicker, but still took some time.  The sad thing about this, is that all of the B and T breeders were working stock and they all charged around $200-$300 for a puppy.  How is that so?  How is it that Black and Tan breeders have found a way to whelp a litter at a discounted rate?  I don't want to hear anyone telling me that they don't make money.  Charging $1200-$1500/puppy has got to be close to covering the litter's cost.  I guess what I am saying, is that we are flooded with overpriced crap.

Anyways, I just had to get that off my chest.  Good day!

Don,  Are you feeling all better now??? lol  I agree that the looks of the dog should come secondary but then again I am a working line gal so I'll just get back to cooking my roast and keep my 2 cents to myself. lol

I hear the Mals are starting to head in the same direction as the GSD......not nearly as bad YET.

I think there's more to a German Shepherd than Schutzund or Show.    Alots been overlooked.

But then again its all been said before.

I've beaten enough dead horse's for one day.

I smell roast and its lunch time.

SSDD

DC I hope does feel better, but misses the salient points of so many posts. In many instances, to spell it out loudly and clearly, it is about deceitful and unethical business practices. And yes, it does hurt everyone who gives a damn about the breed. As for Mals, there are plenty out there that are completely unsuitable for any type of work, just like in all breeds. Generalizations get no where.

If you don't like to read posts, don't. Pretty simple isn't it?

Mals may be nice dogs; I myself just couldn't ever get past their look of a mix breed type dog and hyperactivity that would just make me crazy to live with.  I've said this before about deceitful and unethical business practices but I'll say it once more in case someone missed it in the past- when folks forget why they made the decission to breed in the first place and turn it into a "business" then that is where all hell begins to break loose.  It then becomes ALL about $$ and nothing more.  Who cares if the dog they placed is going to the right place, who cares if it's HD free, awe and hell who even cares if you send a toy poodle in place of the GSD pup the buyer originally chose-they're just stupid newbies that will probably not notice anyways....this is just what I've noticed from reading previous posts.

But there are some very good breeders who will pass up a sale if for whatever reason it's the right thing for them to do and will stand by what they sell.  The internet has made it hard to weed out who is trustworthy and who is just a good bser.

I am inline with Don on this as well. However, I do believe there is a place for information such as the ones referenced abundantly of late. But it does seem to take the air out of me everyday when I read the information. I understand the passion so many of you show here and I do respect it. But maybe we should be able to have a separate area where these threads can be posted so people can pick and choose when and how they view them. Most forums do have different categories so individuals can choose what they are getting themselves into. Just 2 cents in a wash of dirty laundry.

Perhaps a sections for Buyer Bewares where folks can post their warnings or share their stories???  I myself appreciate the heads up when there is someone out there actively scamming people.  Never know when you will be the next victim and it sure helps if you've been warned but lately it has been more of the buyer beware stories rather than good topics on training ect.

Good post don.

~Cate

Hodie

I find it funny .  your last sentence, "If you don't like to read posts, don't. Pretty simple isn't it?"

If you don't like my post, don't read it!  You just did what you preached not to do, no?  I didn't hijack all of the garbage on here.  I started my own thread and was civil about it.  And furthurmore, how do I know if I like it, if I haven't read it?  I have to read something in order to base an opinion. 

I know you and I haven't actually been close.  I don't care and I don't care what you think.  It is no big deal to me.  If you don't like my philosophy, fine.  I feel the same about you.  It doesn't matter.  I am not going to waste my time proving you wrong and arguing, which seems to be what you like.  Yes, I read your Pet sitting thread and the others. You seem somewhat hostile.  I think it's time to crack out the porn and alcohol.

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Not to Hodie,

I understand that this is not the only reason for the demise of the breed.  You have the money seekers that treat dogs as a business.  This is fine if you are a trainer, boarder, etc.  Making money on owning a day care is fine.  You have the people that just don't have a clue and think any female will be great with any male.  You have the people that are so wrapped up in titles that they forgot to look at the dogs.  You have the registries that don't give a rat's ass as long as it is profitable.