Question on Korung - Page 1

Being a Novice to the SV Show Standards, I was wondering:

If the parent of a dog arrives in the US with a KKL1 and has a litter of puppies and after the pups are sold, the new owner neglects to KKL the dog for Life, but she later produces more litters after the KKL1 expired, what restrictions would be put on the progeny? Can progeny from this particular female ever hold a VA?

Tina

Usually what would happen would be that the dog would be re-surveyed as soon as possible. If the original survey lapses, one must do it again to hold the KKL rating again and then do the Lebenzeit Kör two years later. It is important NOT to let a Kör lapse. It is tough enough to get without having to do it again.

There are no restrictions per se on progeny because of a lapse of KKL. There is no written rule that I am aware of that both parents must have been Köred for progeny to be able to go VA . But I think it is one of those subtle things....when there are two dogs who are being weighed for a placement who are, for arguments sake, equal, in the end, it might be that the judge would select the dog with the parents who were recorded as KKL.

Good question.

Both parents of the dog going VA have to have a current  Korung and the dog going VA has to have a current Korung

Linda

Actually both parents must be titled and surveyed to be eligable for a VA rating. Karat's Ulk was in a VA position at the 2004 German Sieger show and was moved back into V1 position when the judge recognized his mother did not have a survey acceptable to the SV.

Here's the rules copied from the USA website:

To qualify for a V-Select rating, dogs must have currently a breed survey ranking of Class 1, have complete and faultless dentition or must have a dental notation as established by the breed book office, the “a” Stamp or OFA Certification and must have at least a SchH 2 title or equivalent. They must come from a survey and performance breeding dogs competing for the V-Select rating a second time must have a SchH 3 title.

The question of a lapsed survey brings up a possible grey area. It seems there could be a situation where one could argue a parent was breed surveyed and fulfills the rule requirement even though the survey lapsed, doesn't say it has to be for life. I believe the determination would be the survey expired and therefore did not exist.and any VA award would be reduced. Usually a judges decision is final but I know of at least one case where a dog was awarded VA and it was reduced to V after the award was made.

 Dog1,

Did you leave something out in the last sentence begining "They must come from a survey".......

No argument about the dog itself having to have a current survey but I do not see that the sire and dam of a dog being placed VA must have a current survey.... Maybe it is late and I am not reading this correctly.

The rules are copied directly from the USA website. The sentence is run on and the verbage is not the best it could be.

The USA rule appears to be translated from the German rules and the translation is a bit awkward. The English translation from the German rule is;..."They have to descend from koer -oder Leistungszucht Dogs, that are supposed to reach the V Ausieseklasse for the second time, have to have the working title SchH3."

It looks like a copy of a bad translation. The interpretation was demonstrated with Ulk.

The WDA has a more correct translation in their rules. Here's a link:

http://www.nass2006.org/regulations.htm

 Dog1,

Thanks. I would like to see the actual German. The USA often has very poor translations. I knew about the situation you cited, and I also know all the high placed dogs I had seen were out of Köred parents, but I could not find that as a rule when I checked.

So thank you for pointing that out and I will check the NASS rules too!