Is he DDR? Is he Czech? - Page 1

Awhile back someone raised a concern that some ads for puppies have been misleading by claiming that the pups are say 50% DDR and 50% Czech bloodlines when really they are just DDR bloodlines.  Of course, we've also seen reportedly 100% DDR bloodlined dogs who have West Working or Showlines, but that's not what I'm trying to discuss here.

I'm hoping that I can get some of the experts on DDR lines to tell me which "Czech" dogs are really full DDR bloodlined dogs.  Let's start with Gent od Policie.  Is he DDR?  Is he Czech?

Only "experts" may answer?      Oh well.....

Czech dogs all have west lines. There are no pure ddr czech dogs .

Dhuinulfr: Please feel free to contribute.  I did not mean to make it sound exclusive.  However, I hope that those who feel they are experts on the matter will add their input. 

DDR_SDG: Thank you for being the first brave soul.  I've heard some say that Gent was one of the great DDR dogs and is not Czech.  But just looking at the pedigree, it looks like only half of his lines trace back to DDR dogs so I'm having a tough time wrapping my mind around how some say he is pure DDR.  I'd love to find more genuine copies instead of relying on the PDB, but I wouldn't know where to look.

Would it be wrong to say that Gent is pure Czech?  How many generations need to be in a country before you would label them from that countries lines?  Would the majority of those here say he is roughly half DDR bloodlines and half West (highlines?), and not even consider him as Czech?  I realize this is more a technicality and that saying 100% anything (other than GSD) can be intentionally or unintentionally misleading (think of all those ads), but I would like to be informed and correct when I refer to Gent and other dogs like him as _______.  What other well-known dogs are often misclassified?

The pedigree for Gent is not correct. Gent's sire's grand mother Gabi is the wrong Gabi. The correct Gabi is ev.c.1088 out of Dan and Dona. Gent's pedigree is mostly east dogs but I consider him a Czech dogs who resided in Austria:-)

Uni,
Just for clarification, Czech bloodlines did come from the old East Germany.
The Pohranicni z Straze Kennels were founded in 1955 by the Czecholsovakian Peoples Republic.  These dogs were bred and trained for the protection of the Peoples Republic.  As mentioned most of these dog's came from what was then East Germany.  Some were bred from their own stock.

If you want to go back to the original beginnings of the German Shepherd, then of course they came from Germany, but this was prior to the wall seperating East from West.

Czech dog's were bred for one purpose, work.  They did not breed for show, that simply was not the mindset.  They wanted one thing, good healthy working dog's that had good strong bone, good drives for tracking, defense and dark pigment.  They were the real deal. The then East Germany ( 1955 and on ) provided their dogs. 

These dogs were not bred with sport in mind.  There are many who wish to down play these dogs, or as was recently said on a post here, make excuses for these dog's.  In a sense we are talking apples and oranges. But not entirerly since Sport dogs from Working kennels can do real man work and Czech dogs and East German dogs can do Sport as well, but typically you do not see as many excell in sport.  This is all a generalization though since the atmosphere and goals of breeding are always evolving into what is in demand. This is also JMO, at least the last paragraph.  There are East German bloodlines.  Again, you have to go back a long way's to tie them all together.
Hope this helps.

I would never put out any ad that says 100% of anything whether it is DDR, Czech, Working lines, show lines, etc. bec. I can always find a valid argument to refute the numbers. It is really a pointless excercise and there are no rules to it.

Whether I label a dog as a DDR dog or a Czech dog depends on whether at least 3 of its 4 grandparents, have mainly (meaning > 50%) of the dogs in their pedigree between 1952 and 1989 were registered in the former DDR, or were registered in the former Czechoslovakia (remember there is no longer a Czechoslovakia either). Those are my rules. Anyone can make up their own rules which seem logical to them.

Or the simplest rule is just by going with the language they are named in. Czech names are distinctly different from German names. If the dog has a Czech name then it is a Czech dog. Gent od Policie is an unmistakeable Czech name. It becomes more complicated with German names bec. then there are different  German types and other countries also use German names like U.S. breeders do. Some U.S. breeders who breed dogs that have Czech origins have started using Czech names, which I like bec. it keeps things from getting too complicated..LOL.

GENT WAS A MIX CZECH AND DDR. DDR IS PURE EAST GERMAN SO THIS CLEARS THAT UP AND THEN THERE IS CZECH. AND WEST GERMAN DOGS ALSO. PRONICAL STRAZE LINES WERE MIXED WITH DDR. I assume for there structure hardness and good health. Then if you want to get tecnical about it if you go to czech wolf dog . you will see pronical straze lines mixed with the wolf dog. Not saying there in the gsd lines They were trying to breed the perfect dog for working the border.If you look at the czech lines that are pure most are straight backed long coupled. Then go to the east german lines big head bone good health history. The pronical straze and jinpo and jakoradivora lines lot of famus czech lines that have the good structure big head big bone . Look threw there pedigree you will see the east german lines in there to improve there lines.HOPE THIS HELPS.

That's OK, Uni.