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by tezz on 01 February 2008 - 20:02
Holtgrew’s / Mittelwest, Kirchenwald, Zwinger Vom Valkyre
Here are some breeders that we would be interested in getting a puppy from. I have contacted each of them but we are just in the beginning stages. I am very nervous about getting a puppy through the internet. Normally I would go to a dog show to meet a breeder and once I found one I “clicked” with I would go to her home to meet the female of future puppies. I would check out the facilities and if everything felt right and was right; I’d pay the deposit ….
You’ll notice that many of the breeders I have chosen have titled their dogs in SchH but that is not the reason I chose them. With the background I have, breeders breed according to the results of health checks and pedigrees; with some mighty outstanding results for many I might add. The Championships awarded to the dogs is just a given because there is a need for proper confirmation (I do realize that determining breed worthiness means different things to different people. J) My reason for choosing these particular breeders is of course the established mother-lines, temperament but also health and longevity as well as the fact that they do not have huge kennels which means – they will have more time to spend with their “puppy people”! I value my breeders and desire to have some sort of ongoing relationship with them.
Yes, I admit it! I have eaten a side order or two of “crow” since my first post on the database J LOL! Sorry again if I offended anyone (I kinda came in with guns a’ blazing) but you have to admit – I’m evolving, thanks to some very special people on this board. Please bear with me J
Holtgrew (
by tezz on 01 February 2008 - 20:02
Vom Kirchenwald (#2) (Pennsylvannia)
We are also interested in Gayle’s up and coming litters. Gayle has established mother lines. This kennel definitely has health and longevity in its favor; very important to us! This is what Gayle had to say to me in her email:
“Dear Penny,
Thanks for your interest in Kirchenwald Shepherds. I have two litters currently "in progress".
The breedings are similar in many ways. Both pairings combine animals from my two main mother lines.
V-Clara and VA-Gorbi are half-siblings. They have the same mother. I have their great-grandmother here (VA-Brenda Messebau, SchH 2) who is fast approaching 15 years old! All dogs are extremely healthy.
V-Emma and V-Brady are half-siblings. They have the same mother. VA-Janka is the best daughter of my foundation female, Meika Isidora. Again, no health issues. The Emma/Gorbi breeding is a repeat of their highly successful previous litter.
Last year I had three different breedings with the same fundamental genetic structure. I showed 6 of those dogs nationally. All were on th
by tezz on 01 February 2008 - 20:02
Zwinger Vom Valkyre (#3) (
http://www.valkyre.com/index.htm
We love this kennel as well. Rebecca also has a wonderful breeding program that emphasizes health and longevity. I just think all of the breeders I have mentioned here are great and I wouldn’t have a problem buying a puppy or future puppies from anyone of them but since I have never heard of these kennels I have to do the responsible thing and ask, “So, what ya’ll think?”
This is what Rebecca had to say to me:
“Zora' s "look" ie, topline is typical of what I breed. It’s easier to see in unstacked photos.
Since we last corresponded, I received a call from an owner of one of our dogs. They called to say they lost their 'ol gal who was 14 yrs. old. They called to see if the pup on my site was still available .So, Miss Jubilee has a new home.
Zoe will be bred again in the next month or so. I will (hopefully) use her with
I have kept 2 Zoe daughters, now 2 yrs old. I have kept also a son & daughter from the J litter. Her pups are very athletic, easy to train & just plain sweet.
Her breeder in
If you're still looking for a puppy in a month or so please check back.
by gsdgermany2 on 01 February 2008 - 22:02
...IN YOUR EARLIER POST YOU SAID YOU WERE NOT LOOKING FOR A PUPPY THAT COSTS $1500 OR MORE.
HOW MUCH ARE YOU PLANNING TO SPEND? INFORMING THE KENNEL OWNERS OF THIS WILL IMEDIATELY HELP
REDUCE YOUR OPTIONS.
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Now for the breeder: We do not desire to purchase our puppy from a commercial breeder or a puppy mill. A properly socialized puppy is a must. We do not desire to finance someone’s sport or decision to send their females to Germany to be bred – we are not interested in “World Class”, “Famous Bloodlines, or “Top German” pedigreed puppies that sell for $1500 to $7000.00 and up. The breeder for us would be one who has a passion for the breed (a breeder who genuinely has the GSD’S best interests at heart) one who is not influenced or swayed by the almighty dollar. Would like a breeder who is honest and open about his/her breeding stock and not afraid but willing to discuss health concerns or problems in his/her line. A breeder that breeds towards longevity, health and proper temperament and stands behind and believes in the dogs he/she is producing would be great. The breeder we are looking for would do more than the required bare minimum of hips and elbows as many, many breeders of other breeds already commonly do. I believe from experience, that a puppy that stays with its litter/mother longer ends up having a better chance at being mentally well adjusted and more stable as an adult so we would like to bring puppy home at 11 to 12 weeks of age. Don’t know if any GSD breeders out there would agree with that one but it’s non-negotiable on our part. |
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by crhuerta on 02 February 2008 - 04:02
Less than $1500??.............That amount will definately cut your chances on at least 2 of the breeders.
I also know that some of these breeders produce more than "several" litters a year...........much more.
Kirchenwald had some very nice puppies at the NASS this year......I really loved a young male that was shown!...and Gorbi looked really good!
Mittelwest has some nice puppies currently also........
Holtgrew, ...I personally have not met.....nor seen her litters.....but....I have read testimony in her favor.
Vom Valkreye...........I only know what I have seen in advertisements......no personal experience.
Know exactly what you are looking for, and what you totally expect!
I'm sure you will find a nice puppy from any of the 4 breeders that you have mentioned........be sure to let them know in what "financial-range" you are budgeting for.
JMHO
Robin
by AgarPhranicniStraze1 on 02 February 2008 - 05:02
I agree that at least 2 of the breeders you've selected are out of your price range. I can tell you that Holtgrew IMO is a wonderful breeder who produces some exceptional litters. My dog Agar was used as a stud dog with her Corrida. Her and I both purchased our dogs from Eurosport k9. I have never had the pleasure of meeting her personally but I was impressed with the fact she kept in touch with me to let me know how the litter was doing, what type of homes the pups went to and also the new owners contacted me over the past year to tell me how their pups were doing, their achievments and how pleased they were.
I'm not sure what they sell their litters for but I can tell you that a nice pup from a quality breeder is gonna run you about $1000-1500. Try not to look at it from a money standpoint as much but moreso as an investment because this pup you choose will be a valued family member in your home for a number of years. If paying a little more for a pup will increase your chances of a healthy, well bred, even tempered dog then to me the extra money is well worth the investment.
BTW, all the breeders you've selected have a good reputation. I have not heard anything negative about their practices. I'm sure whoever you choose to buy from you will get a healthy well bred pup. Best of Luck to you.
by dajudg on 02 February 2008 - 17:02
I agree that you have some great kennels selected here but I am not sure your price range limit will work with some of these breeders, Good luck in search greg
by tezz on 02 February 2008 - 19:02
Hello guys.
I did say, “we are not interested in “World Class”, “Famous Bloodlines, or “Top German” pedigreed puppies that sell for $1500 to $7000.00 and up.
I think that highlighted portion of the post was one of my first posts on the database. I was just angry at the time and ticked off at many of the things I had seen during my 1 year search for a GSD breeder. It seemed that every GSD site I visited was World Class and had famous bloodlines. Site after site after site after site was like this. I was simply overwhelmed by all the razzle and dazzle I think.
The great dogs and I mean the truly great dogs only come around once in a lifetime, at least in my opinion. I was looking for a breeder who was a bit more humble/down to earth and by that I don’t mean a breeder who sells cheap puppies or takes short cuts either. Don’t know if I am explaining this properly but I hope you all know what I mean.
In another post I mentioned that I wasn’t looking for a cheap puppy. Back in 1982 I paid $600.00 for a reg’d female Samoyed puppy, it is now 2008 and 26 years later ….
And yes, I do have problems with some of the highlighted prices.
Since I first began posting on the database people from this board have helped me to understand things a little bit better. I had more than problems with prices as far as GSD breeders are concerned. Thanks to some very wonderful people from PDB, I think I am on my way and “growing up” some. Still have a ways to go ….
Penny
by tezz on 02 February 2008 - 19:02
By the way, I feel compelled to stay on the database and it just might have something to do with that puppy we are wanting. Good things come to those who tough it out and I’m not planning on tucking my tail and running.
I do hope people will try to understand and soon come to overlook that post that keeps coming back to slap me upside the head and if some of you don’t, well, you don’t.
I do want to thank all those who are helping me in spite of it all and giving me the benefit of the doubt – good people you are folks and I’m glad to cyber know you J
Penny
by doggman on 02 February 2008 - 22:02
I always check the OFA site to see what the kennel name shows. Are the pups they breed being OFAed or not. If not, then I want to know why. So ask. Maybe they use pennHip or maybe they just don't know enough. But if they are not keeping track of the hip/elbow health of the pups they have produced, then I would not consider them.
D'man
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