Genna Vom Leerburg x Darko Van't Enclavehof Interest? - Page 1

I was wanting to check on here to see if there would be any interest in this mateing takeing place. Genna is 4 and is OFA Good. She has a great pedigree which can be viewed here on the database. She has great drives and bonds tight with our family. Natural protector with clear headedness. Darko is a Belgium Import with an impressive pedigree from the Enclavehof Kennels. He also has great drives and will add more civil and fight drives to the offspring.He is also on the database. I'm planning on haveing Genna spayed, but I wanted to do one breeding before I do if there are enough people possibly interested in a pup. I will be keeping one for myself, just to keep Geena's lines in our home. I would only be asking $1000 per pup and would guarantee hips and health. If anyone would be interested please let me know ASAP because she has just started her heat cycle. If there isn't enough interest I'm going to go ahead an spay her.   Thank You    E-MAIL     wswalker@highland.net

Cannot verify her hip ratings on the OFA database using a name search.

Neither dog has any hip ratings,titles or certifications listed.  For a working line pedigree, there are a lot of dogs close up with no working titles. Considering  puppies can be had for same price or a little bit more from parents with all of the above, I would pass were I looking for a puppy.  . 

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/para.utkoma?fadir=484052&modir=533095

I agree with Nancy, in that there seems to be no info on the OFA. If you can provide proof of OFA that be great, as i don't think you should breed without it.  Also that there are a number of litters out there for the same price you'd be asking that have parents....that are titled. so your price is high.

That being said, i think on paper the pups look good. They come from some strong lines and i like the mix. so, if your price was more in line, i'd be willing to get one and raise it and take the chance that it had what it took to title out.

Good for you for asking and attempting to research homes for the puppies before breeding.  That is excellent.  No, I would not be interested in puppies from untitled dogs with no adult hip ratings, that were not worked and "only" pets.  No proof of breedworthiness other than their family thinks they are wonderful.  I hope you make the decision to not breed, but if you don't then sell the pups with limited registration and spay/neuter contract, because not all owners are as concerned with the saleability of their pups before a mating takes place.  Good for you.

molly

I agree with Nancy, those pups even with OFA parents aren't worth over $500 IMO. 

Love the pedigree. Lots of super dogs in 3rd  generation.   First and second generation sketchy.  No titles? No certifed hips?  Sunday newspaper puppies for 400-600 bucks. You will be sitting on the pups for a long time wanting more.  Too much dog probably for pets.  Fodder for rescue and shelters by 1.5.  People who know what they are doing want pups from titled dogs.  Then they want pups from titled dogs who have pups in clubs working and -or are titled.  Best you will do is sell to ignornant puppy millers who will breed more pups from more untitled dogs.  Do everyone - especially the pups themselves - a favor and don't do the breeding unless you OFA and title the female and breed her to a certified male.

Sam I Am,

Listen buddy, a lot of ppl on this board are too worried about titles and accomplishments- that does NOT make a dog, if you look at GENETIC COMPATIBILITY, and compliment your Dam with the Sire, and visa versa, and you know what your dogs really are... and you can be honest with their strengths and weaknesses and PLAN, and do research on what the breeding could potentially produce I wouldn't worry about the titles... but the health issues, HD/ED, back, etc. are really Essential!! You must do these things, for ethical purposes, and for the improvement of the breed.

I looked at your proposed breeding, and as much as I hate to say it (because I don't prefer some of the lines in your dogs pedigree- due to personal preference, not due to lack quality), I think it could work out very well.

"Sunday paper",  "400 buck" and that other BS is non-sence!!! These are coming from people who think it means something if both parents have V ratings and can actually get working titles (which are normally a joke in a lot of SV clubs, I know, I'm an SV Lehrhelfer)... SO, YOU decide what *type* of dog you want to breed, and know in advance where these dogs are going, to what types of homes/working environments, etc. and then who give a F**k what anyone else thinks. Sell locally, keep your eye on the puppies growth and development and help the new owners any way possible to achieve the highest potential from the pups...

Commercial breeders only care about getting their product moved off the shelves, and they don't care further than the $$$ in the bank, and the pup in the crate on the plane - they pretend like they do, but honestly they don't... Even the good ones that have great breeding stock and a long term goal and plan realize the fact is, you will end up with puppies that must be sold to pet homes... Also, "What breeding is without risk??"

Dogfood for thought!

Also, why are you having your bitch spayed? And furthermore, just to "keep her lines alive in your home", is a total F**ked up reason for breeding her... DUMB DUMB DUMB... and that's not to be insulting, it's reality. Leave breeding to breeders- if you like your bitches bloodlines, then replace the bitch when she dies with a pup of similar bloodlines from a responsible and experienced breeder.... You, my friend, are no "breeder".... but you are about to become a "puppy maker", which we in the GSD world definitely don't need any more of.

Keep enjoying the breed, they are awesome, and there are some great people in the dogworld, and then there are assholes that know too much and rarely speak their minds - like me! ;-) lol

Drew, I totally agree with ya there buddy!!

I'm not trying to argue here. I just want to answer some questions. When I first got Genna as a pup from Ed, I got here to train in Schutzhund, but shortly after I had cancer. So that is why that she doesn't have any titles. It's definetely not due to her drives and that is why she became our family pet. I just recently did her OFA and it came out Good (NOT BAD TO BE GOOD AT 4 ). The possible sire Darko got his BH about 4 months ago and is now working on his SCH 1. He  was also OFA'd about 6 and it came back Good also. I feel that the pedigree is pretty strong with Bernard Flinks dog Itor in the 3rd, Endy the 98 National Champion, North American Champion, and 3 time World Championship Team also in the 3rd, Pike in the 3rd or 4th, all on the dames side. Darko brings Troll Vom Haus Milinda WUSA IN THE 3RD, Natz  WUSA X3 AND 93 World Champ in the 4th, also several  strong dogs thru the Tiekerhook lines. Like I said I'm not trying a arguement or debate, I just wanted to answer some question.   Sincerely  Sam

You would be better off not breeding because your dog and a potential male have some history of achievements in their family history or even if they were both titled, unless you had quite abit of experience with both lines, it takes more than titles to make a good match and remember no matter how good the two dogs are they cannot reproduce themselves.

To ask if there is a market for your pups doesn't really show common sense as someone implied, it just shows what you are in it for. Anyone can breed dogs for profit, there will always be someone to buy at least some of your pups, but is it worth it ??  You probably wont make your money back on the first litter and you might end up getting the pups you sold returned to you.