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Does that mean a dog that is handler aggressive?

does a dog "not for beginners" correlate with a dog that can work patrol?

people like the dog that is strong in the c phase, the dog that wants to bite for real; those dogs are usually more stubborn and more difficult to handle from what i've seen

another thing i see sometimes... "a one man dog" what does that mean to you? schutzhund dogs today are such you can open their crates and bribe them into your car with a piece of bacon... that would be an anyone's dog, correct?

what do you expect to see when someone sells you a "one man's dog"?

I was at the last u.s. open... police outside the perimeter had what looked like czech dogs; they looked very intense... not very social... i wouldn't trust my grandchildren get near them... what are your thoughts on that?

n.

For me "not for beginners" and "one man dog" has different meanings.. "not for Beginners" would be a dog that will take over and want to rule, by force, would be a possible outcome. Yet willing to give up control if he/she decideds you deserve/demand it. "One man dog" to me bonds with one person and to hell with the rest of the family, not that he/she would be forceful about it, just would be unwilling/not liking to take direction from others. There are some dogs that bond and/or prefer Male handlers or Female handlers.

"not for beginners"  in the working preceptive are dogs who are the alpha/strong//hard/stubborn type.. The handler for the “not for beginners” should have experience handling with alpha/strong//hard/stubborn type with a successful rate. The handler should have the alpha type mentality, not omega (allowing the dog to do whatever it wants, or overly sensitive people).

A “one mans dog “ in my opinion is a dog that will only work with one handler. It will listen to a command given to it's respectful handler but will totally blow other people away who are giving the dog the same command as the handler.

Handler aggressive dogs should never  NEVER be bred and should be taken to a vet to be euthanized. Handler aggressive dogs should have no business doing any kind of protection training.. Were trying to demonstrate how sane our breed is, not how vicious it is. I'm tired of seeing the German shepherd breed marked down as dangerous dogs.

Considering that most people can not tell the difference between redirection, frustration, and/or unfair corrections they should be euthanized also.  Now I remember why i didnt really like this messageboard. 

Chris

Brittany

Your last paragraph, is that serious?  Are you kidding me?  That is the direct reason people put, "not for beginners".  Because most dogs worth a damn are going to try you at some point.  If that inexperienced person doesn't recognize the situation and lets the dog win, the dog will eventually end up handler aggressive. 

I think the only thing ruining this breed are ignorant people. 

"Not for Beginners" AKA "Not for Brittany".

Don,

Are you referencing to my first paragraph or to my last? Yes I am serious about what I wrote on my last paragraph, It seems that you differ it. I'm sorry but I have a hard time believing that an  inexperienced person  will turn their dogs  into handler aggression dogs( that will put their handlers in the hospital for giving it a simple corrections)... if thats what your indicting.

I agree with you, Ignorant people are ruining the breed.

MI_GSD, instead of acting like a troll with nothing to contribute, why don't you voice your opinions?

What about handler agressive dogs who are so because the handler, often one with heavy handed techniques, has not bonded with the dog before giving an inappopriate correction? 

I had a nice talk with an LEO about this who felt that this was exactly why many police dogs went up the lead.  They were good dogs, just had not had the opportunity to understand who was #1 before corrections began.

When I got my female as a puppy I had people - on this board - tell me she would eat my alive.  NOT and she is 5 years old.

It was all because of Crok.  He should not have been bred?  I think he may have made a real contribution to the breed and many people used him.

My female protests a good correction but falls in line and I have never had any fear that this dog would ever bite me.   I realize she is a female, but two of her uncles were handler agressive dogs. 

 Most good dogs will test the handler at some point and likely repeatedly over time. If you are not a good handler they will take advantage of you and becoming handler aggressive will be the least of your problems. That is why they say "not for beginners".

And, orkies, come around more often, we need you. 

One man dog, as mentioned earlier is a bonding thing. They bond to and are most loyal to one person, they tolerate the rest.

Brittany,

"Handler Aggression" is an umbrella term that means many things to many people.  To use a blanket term as a justification to euthanise(sic) a dog is rather extreme.  There are many reasons why a canine may exhibit traits and/or charactersistics   Yes a inexperienced handler can cause a dog to be "handler aggressive" just as an experienced handler can.