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I know that sable is dominant, so what would be  the most likey outcome, colorwise, if crossing a solid black bitch to a black sable male? The female has never produced sables before, regardless of what color she's been bred to. The sire has produced all colors.

you would probably get blacks and black sables.....I think.

Vickie

www.PowerHausKennels.com

If the sire has produced all colors then you would get solid black, black sables, sables and bi-colors. 

Speaking of Sables   this is the cutest ,most loveable picture of a sable pup on our database, that I have seen in a long time.....adorable....makes me want another   buch of loving babes......he is so intelligent ...look at that   expression.....he looks like some of my Bear Jerome pups......I want to keep everyone of them.....

If the sire has produced black puppies before, then he is a sable with black recessive.  Bred to a black dog, there would be no possibility of black/tan or bicolor in the litter as neither dog would carry that color gene.  Puppies would be black, and sable with black recessive (dark or "black" sable).

molly

If the female is actually a very dark bicolor (I own one that has absolutely no tan on her, but produces as a bicolor), then you would get all three colors, black, sable, bicolor.  If the female is a true black, then you would get blacks and sables. 

Are you saying she has bred with a sable before, and not had any sables?
(Or will this be the first sable?)

If the sire has the black gene, and she doesn't have the sable gene, they will
probably have only blacks, blk & tans,

I bred to a sable that had no black gene, with my female that has a black gene,
and there were no blacks in the litter.

Years back, I bred my yellow labrador retriever to a male chocolate, and she had
all blacks & chocolates, no yellows at all, cause he had no yellows at least back
about 4 generations.

If one dog doesn't have a certain color at least 4 or 5 gen. back, I don't see it popping-up.

Reggae: Thank you. This is obviously the case. This female must be a true bi color, not solid black, as she has whelped a litter of ten puppies with a black sable male, and all look to bi color or black/tan. There are no sables or solid blacks whatsoever. Very surprising to me, but this certainly makes more sense.

Thank you guys all very much for your responses.

if the male is sable, then the puppies will ALL have the possibility of being sables.  Sable gene is dominant over all other color genes.  So knowing the sire was sable, and none of the puppies were sable - that is only luck of the draw.  Happens sometimes.  But next litter there will most likely be sables.  If NONE of the puppies were black, then that means the sable sire did not carry black recessive gene.  It takes one black gene from EACH parent, to create a black puppy.  Every GSD carries two color genes, one dominant and one recessive.  The dominant gene is what color they are.  Black is always recessive, so black dogs are always black with a second black gene - nothing else to give to the puppies except one black gene.  So if none of the puppies from a black sable X black mating happened, then the sire is sable X black/tan.  He gave the black/tan gene to every puppy.  The dam gave a black gene to every puppy.  So all pups were black/tan.  Next breeding from the same parents, the sable parent should give sable to some puppies, and black/tan to others.  So, puppies would be sable with black recessive (dark or black sable) and black/tan with black recessive (dark black/tan or bicolor).

molly

Well if the dam is not really a solid black, but a bi color, and the sire has produced black puppies before, then doesn't he have to carry the black gene also. In the last litter I had, I mated this sire with a bi color female, and she had all sables and solid blacks. So this time, I was very surprised to have only black/tans and bi colors, with no sables or solid blacks. I am just trying to figure out what genes the sire and dam most likely carry. This dam has been bred to sable dogs before, other than this sire, and has never produced a sable. How is that possible?