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by emtbiggie on 08 October 2009 - 00:10
I have a 10 week old german sheperd puppy. I have been doing some reading online and im getting conflicted results on wether or not to put my puppy in time out if he goes to the bathroom in the house....and or saying NO loudly. I have been reading a book to and they say its bad to do both. What do you think what works best?
by buckeyefan gsd on 08 October 2009 - 00:10
if you put the dog outside immediately how can you possibly use "time out" soon enough for a 10 week puppy to understand?
by JRANSOM on 08 October 2009 - 02:10
If you catch him in the act, say "NO" then bring him outside and tell him to do his business. Whatever you say. I say "get busy"' When he does praise him. Repeat again and again and again, etc., etc. If you don't catch him in the act just pick it up and go on about your day. Eventually he'll get it if your consistent.
Jen
Jen
by mrsemman on 08 October 2009 - 19:10
The best bet is to watch your dog. They usually signal when they need to go out. Mine used to act antsy. If I ignored them and they went inside the house, it was my fault. Later, I could ask them "what do you want?" and they would head for the door.
by SitasMom on 08 October 2009 - 21:10
no works only as the dog is doing it or after the dog already knows the rules and decides to buck the system.
we have a rescue, she was doing her doo's out side about 95% of the time.
one morning it was raining, she went out side for about 30 seconds came back inside and proceeded to do her doo on the living room floor. We didn't catch her in the act, but we did take her to her mess and tell her NO.........she know what the rule was and has gone out side rain or shine ever since.
If only it could be so easy for counter surfing!
we have a rescue, she was doing her doo's out side about 95% of the time.
one morning it was raining, she went out side for about 30 seconds came back inside and proceeded to do her doo on the living room floor. We didn't catch her in the act, but we did take her to her mess and tell her NO.........she know what the rule was and has gone out side rain or shine ever since.
If only it could be so easy for counter surfing!
by GSDtravels on 09 October 2009 - 09:10
Taking a dog to their "pile" and showing it to them while scolding only confuses the dog. They are not putting the act together with the punishment. Crate the pup when you're not watching him, When you take him from the crate, go straight to the place you want him to go. Do not bring him back in until he goes and then praise (if it's a difficult pup you may also want to treat but praise is usually enough for a young pup). While playing, read body language and be vigilant, they're quick! When you see signs, take him out immediately. If you catch him in the act, you may say no but more importantly, interrupt him with a loud noise, scoop him up gently and place him outside. Do not act angry or upset, just take him out. When he goes, praise him even more. Also, don't let him watch you clean up the mess. I've never had a GSD that took more than a week to train. Good luck.
by Slamdunc on 09 October 2009 - 10:10
GSDtrtavels, Jransom and Mrsemman:
Excellent points. Thank you for pointing out the fact that you never take the dog back to the pile and scold if the dog was not caught in the act. That is an old wives tale. The same advice goes for scolding a dog for eating the garbage and the dog was not caught actually doing it. Or yelling at a dog for not coming when called when it finally returns to you, the dog learns that coming to you means punishment. Counterproductive, isn't it?
Dogs live in the moment and can not relate the act of going to the bathroom and being scolded for it a later time, even if the time was just minutes. If the dog acts nervous when showed the old pile it is just reactiing to your body language and not the offense it is being scolded for.
Jim
Excellent points. Thank you for pointing out the fact that you never take the dog back to the pile and scold if the dog was not caught in the act. That is an old wives tale. The same advice goes for scolding a dog for eating the garbage and the dog was not caught actually doing it. Or yelling at a dog for not coming when called when it finally returns to you, the dog learns that coming to you means punishment. Counterproductive, isn't it?
Dogs live in the moment and can not relate the act of going to the bathroom and being scolded for it a later time, even if the time was just minutes. If the dog acts nervous when showed the old pile it is just reactiing to your body language and not the offense it is being scolded for.
Jim
by Sunsilver on 09 October 2009 - 13:10
Time out for a dog? Dear God...what next?
I was reading Cesar's book last night, and he says exactly what ANYONE who knows dogs would tell you. A dog does not have the intellectual capacity to understand why you are giving it a 'time out'.
I am in the process of house-training a 9 week old puppy right now. I'm repeating what others have said above. You MUST crate the pup when you can't supervise it directly. At this young age, they give you VERY little warning before they squat, so you must be very vigilant when they're out of the crate. Even then, you'll use up a lot of paper towels and cleaner.
Take the pup outside as soon as it wakes from a nap, after eating, as soon as you notice it sniffing around, looking for a place to squat, and (just to be on the safe side) approximately every 2 hours. Praise, praise, praise for going outside. If you catch it in the act indoors, a quick "NO", and hustle it outside as fast as possible. Then, lots of praise for eliminating outside!
I've had this little girl just over a week, and already she'll sometimes go to the door and look at me to tell me she needs 'out'! However, we're still having a few accidents, as it's very hard to watch her every second!
I was reading Cesar's book last night, and he says exactly what ANYONE who knows dogs would tell you. A dog does not have the intellectual capacity to understand why you are giving it a 'time out'.
I am in the process of house-training a 9 week old puppy right now. I'm repeating what others have said above. You MUST crate the pup when you can't supervise it directly. At this young age, they give you VERY little warning before they squat, so you must be very vigilant when they're out of the crate. Even then, you'll use up a lot of paper towels and cleaner.
Take the pup outside as soon as it wakes from a nap, after eating, as soon as you notice it sniffing around, looking for a place to squat, and (just to be on the safe side) approximately every 2 hours. Praise, praise, praise for going outside. If you catch it in the act indoors, a quick "NO", and hustle it outside as fast as possible. Then, lots of praise for eliminating outside!
I've had this little girl just over a week, and already she'll sometimes go to the door and look at me to tell me she needs 'out'! However, we're still having a few accidents, as it's very hard to watch her every second!
by Vixen on 11 October 2009 - 02:10
Fully support Sunsilver with this. Remember a puppy is not deliberately doing anything wrong! He/she is merely looking to eliminate! It is the Owner's responsibility to help a puppy to understand that 'elimination' happens outside. So taking your puppy outside frequently, and saying in a cheerful voice: "good dog, do business/ or be clean", as he is actually toileting.
A little tip, sometimes when you take a young puppy outside, and especially when you feel sure he/she needs to go to the toilet, because they have been asleep for a while for instance. They can become so interested and excited by the outside world, that they do not go, don't wait outside for too long, BUT, when you bring the puppy back indoors, the excitement of outdoors will have gone, and within moments your puppy will suddenly remember his bodily needs! So, just after you have brought him back indoors, pop out again with him, and there is a very good chance that he will eliminate almost straight away.
(PS. NEVER rub a puppy's nose in toilet. This will teach the puppy nothing about being house-trained, only create fear and distrust towards the Owner).
Think how long it takes a human child to be out of nappies, in contrast dogs are wonderful in learning to go outside so quickly, providing we are vigilent, consistent, helpful and patient.
All the very best to you and your puppy.
Regards,
Vixen
A little tip, sometimes when you take a young puppy outside, and especially when you feel sure he/she needs to go to the toilet, because they have been asleep for a while for instance. They can become so interested and excited by the outside world, that they do not go, don't wait outside for too long, BUT, when you bring the puppy back indoors, the excitement of outdoors will have gone, and within moments your puppy will suddenly remember his bodily needs! So, just after you have brought him back indoors, pop out again with him, and there is a very good chance that he will eliminate almost straight away.
(PS. NEVER rub a puppy's nose in toilet. This will teach the puppy nothing about being house-trained, only create fear and distrust towards the Owner).
Think how long it takes a human child to be out of nappies, in contrast dogs are wonderful in learning to go outside so quickly, providing we are vigilent, consistent, helpful and patient.
All the very best to you and your puppy.
Regards,
Vixen
by JANUS1 on 11 October 2009 - 20:10
I agree totally with Sunsilver and Vixen. If my pup messes indoors I always see it as my failure not hers.
They can't control their bowels and bladders at such a young age but soon get the idea if you are consistent
and frequent with taking them outside. Under no circumstance would I scold a young puppy for messing indoors.
They can't control their bowels and bladders at such a young age but soon get the idea if you are consistent
and frequent with taking them outside. Under no circumstance would I scold a young puppy for messing indoors.
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