A deliberate duel breeding ?? - Page 1

A person I know is breeding her female to 2 different males,then  is going to DNA the pups and reg them to the correct sires.Is this an ethical and  a new way to breed now? Has  any breeder on here heard of this?? I would love to here some breeders replys.

                                                                                                                                                                            KeyCat

I have heard of this being done and I know of a kennels that has done it, I think it was Austerlitz. kennel.

Vickie

www.PowerHausKennels.com

Well if you think about it from strickly a breeding standpoint (no moral or emotional judgment) it makes perfect sense.

If you have two stud dogs and you duel breed a bitch, you will within one litter, find out who produces better with the bitch. In the same vein, it is also a faster route to experiment with witch lines will cross together and which ones wil not.

You will also get a quicker read on physical problems as well. If you breed a litter, DNA, it and all three of the four pups from Stud dog A have skin problems, dysplasia, whatever, you know what your indivdual dogs have in the gene pool and definatley know not to repeat the breeding or cross those lines again.

Kind of acomplishes what an in-breed could show you, but not quite as drastic or definitive.

I think it is a very good option for serious breeders.

forgot to add......

You can accomplish in one breeding what could take two, three, or four breeding while bringing alot less pups into the world to place or have to cull.

Another thought........

Possible downside would be less pups to sell so therefore less money to be made

Nothing new about that...

Sometimes people request a puppy from a different sire, than say the one you wanted to use,
by breeding to both sires, the dam doesnt have to go through two separate pregnancies, and
the people get results they were looking for, without waiting for the next breeding, say maybe it's
the last time they are going to breed her.
I'm not saying one sire is better than the other, maybe someone is looking for a direct relative of their
dog they own.

With DNA available for us to use, it makes for a less complicated world!

This was done by an American breeder who had an older bitch who she wanted to get offspring from two males from, but did not want to have to breed her female twice and care for both litters, as she had to travel alot.

She did this, and a litter of Puppys was born. They ended up being all out of the same sire.

The article was published in the GSDCA review.

Survival of the fastest or fittest sperm wise?

How many stud fees would you have to pay to get 1 litter with two sires?  This will be interesting. 

Two?

maybe depends on who won?

As most have mentioned this is not so uncommon, especially for the A.K.C.-registered litters as the parentage can be proven by D.N.A.. Of course that costs money and takes time, and do not get the puppies mixed up! 

I think when we see this practice most often is when a bitch is older and is planned to produce her last litter. And as was mentioned; all of the puppies can be sired by the same male even though that was not the intent. Provided the other male has a sufficient sperm count and motility it is not necessarily his fault if he fails to sire part of the litter. There are millions of spermatozoa, but a limited number of eggs that may not all be available at the same time.

Now what I do not know, is whether this practice is allowed by the S.V. in the event this type of breeding was not accidental. To my knowledge it is not, but of course my knowledge of the finer points of their regulations is limited. I hope that D.H. or Chris can shed some light on this. I am sure it is a topic that does not come up that often.

But, if there was an ideal 50:50 split of puppies there would be fewer from each sire, and possibly fewer to cull, if any at all. I guess if one had two (2) males of excellent quality who had each proven themselves with the quality bitch of topic, then maybe it would be worth the gamble.

Mom's baby, dad's maybe. DNA is a good thing.

Regards,

Bob-O