Good for Novices -- GSD Breed History - Page 1

 I've always wondered the same about Canto Wienerau, and for some reason the silence is always deafening! 

~Deb

Stallion, " Masculine"

I think Canto was the one who passed on hemophelia... ( Think)

when suspect, I don't think the SV was ever allowed to test the dog.

Elsa was leased for one breeding by the Fords. She Belonged to Frolich Kennels

I don't think she belonged to them.

at least not for most of her Progeny.

From one breeding Elsa Produced only 2 pups for the Fords

Ch Lonnie of Fran Jo

GV CH Lance of Fran-Jo

good starting point for novices but don't be fooled - the title of the article should be the History of the Show GSD. This history is told backwards, starting from the popular show lines of today and telling their history. It is grossly incomplete because it does not tell the history of the working lines of today and its different main variants: West German, DDR and Czech. The writer's expertise is obviously in the AKC Show lines. It's also debatable whether Horand was a working shepherd's dog. Other historians say he was a pure show dog and real working dogs were bred to him.

You know, I would love to see a written history of the working lines.  All of the books I have seen focus only on showlines.

I realize in Germany that the two were synonomous until mid sixties / early 70s or therabouts but the history of the East German and Czech GSDs is not even covered. 

Has anyone written such a thing (All I have been able to do is pick up bits and peices here and there)

And then, Willis ...............I do not have the book, would like to find a copy but it too was written a good while back and must miss recent history.

"I think Canto was the one who passed on hemophelia... ( Think)"

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i don't know about canto, but i have heard this of

uran many many times.  i suppose he got it from

somewhere.....one of his ancestors.

pjp

Thanks for trying ziegenfarm, but did Canto actually die of the disease?

More Questions:

If hemophilia is an X linked chromosome disease in dogs, as in humans, then  wouldn't he have inherited the genes from his mother? But then also, a PDB comment claims he was quite prolific before he died. It seems that now, no one ever says anything about having this dog in a pedigree. My dog certainly does! 

Another question,  please correct me if I am wrong, but that would mean my dog Mojo, is all German showlines, and through some Noblecroft dogs, American showlines? (His immediate ancestors are all untitled, un-anything.)

Another question I have is on working dog history; does their history have another first dog of the breed other than Horand? Which dogs are considered the foundation of the working dog schism? Because, isn't there a distinction in Germany as well, between working lines and showlines?

~Deb

There shouldn't be any distinction... and yes eventhough Horand was a show dog, he was essentially a German shepherd's dog... A herder... Its was the Rittmeister who started setting-up these dogs for all-around work and not SPORTS... Schutzhund was aform of living for German folks and not naturally for the dogs... It  so happened that the GSD excelled on the sport

Most agree the split between working and show lines didn't start until the 1970s.

Beetree, you can Google Canto Wienerau, Hemophelia, and find a collection of pages on this. As far as I know it couyld Have been a Spontaneous Mutation, maybe he did get it from his Dam. All his daughters were said to Carry the gene, and his Sons all dont.