Would like some input from people please - Page 1

In a nutshell I got a female from a breeder 3 yrs ago. She turned out to have bad hips. Breeder is still mating the bitch that threw two puppies with bad hips in that litter..Got a replacement male who had what she thought was two testicle but turned out to be one testicle and a lymph node. She is still breeding the same male and female. That is her best breeding pair. Her dogs are very well known and his daddy is very high ranked in the US. Do you consider this a corrupt breeder. She did return my money but I can't help but think if that lymph node wasn't there my handsome otherwise healthy boy would have been put down. I of course had them both fixed would never breed a bad dog and cross my fingers and hope for the best...I did learn that I don't have what it takes to be a breeder because I hear all the horror stories about my above situations where the dogs would have been put down....I would have a million GSDs running around. I would be in my glory but I also see how much pain it causes with the 12 year old I have with bad hips.

I personally would not ever repeat a breeding that gave me bads hips, certainly not with more than 1 puppy, and I would look very seriously at both parents individually. However, she did return your money and your dysplastic dog has lived to 12. Did you sent the xray to OFA? What rating was teh dog given?

Our current O.F.A. records indicate that approximately 19% of all GSD's scored by the O.F.A. are dysplastic, with the majority having "Borderline" to "Mild Dysplasie". So in essence, if a "normal" breeding pair produces 2% "Excellent", 40% "Good", 39% "Fair" and the remaining 19% dysplastic then this would be considered "normal" hip production. With a dysplastic group of 19% it would be very easy for one (1) pup per litter to be dysplastic and yet the litter is normal. This is not entirely accurate, but it is quite close. Not every puppy is examined of course, so one has to use the data available. Two (2) puppies with bad hips in the same litter? Now that would be a high failure rate unless the litter was at least ten (10) puppies-not the norm I know. Other questions arise; how severe were the failures and did any environmental issues contribute towards them? All of the data we have at our fingertips is useful but not thorough because (A) Most puppies are not evaluated and (B) Some are evaluated yet their results never leave the veterinarian's office. But all that rambling aside, if I discovered one (1) dysplastic puppy I produced I would make serious scrutiny of the breeding parents. Possibly for naught, I know, but one must pay attention. Regards, Bob-O

My Original Sentence: "Our current O.F.A. records indicate that approximately 19% of all GSD's scored by the O.F.A. are dysplastic, with the majority having "Borderline" to "Mild Dysplasie"." Should Read: "Our current O.F.A. records indicate that approximately 19% of all GSD's scored by the O.F.A. are dysplastic, with the majority (of the 19% determined to be dysplastic) having "Borderline" to "Mild Dysplasie". I apologize for any confusion. Regards, Bob-O

With two dysplastic pups in one litter and a cryptorchid in another, I would never breed those two dogs together again. I also believe that hip dysplasia is more prevelant than just the numbers the OFA has because if hips are terrible I think a lot of people don't even waste their money to have the OFA evaluate them. Lots of people don't even bother to have hips xrayed and some dogs with bad hips don't ever show symptoms until they are much older. I am sorry for your experience. KC, the dysplastic dog that is 12 is not from the same breeder, her dog in question is 3 years old...

VBK9 where are you from VBPD by any chance???? The kryptoric came from two completely different parents. That was her best breeding pair "tried and true" for years never had this happen blah bah blah... As far as the female she had 2 with bad hips in a litter of 5 that I know of and I see that her sister who was going to be bred suddenly disappeared from the website so I am sure she went bad and was put down.

Thank you for the information. I haven't had her finals yet but her prelimbs at 7 months showed osteoarthritis per OFA as well as my vet and the orthopedic specialist I saw. Plus she had pain behaviors for the orthopedic. Nowhere near surgery time she is still a lunatic. But my thing is yes there is a possibility but....Where does it stop. I did everything to find a healthy dog after going throught the hell with my 12 year old male whom I just love. So I pick a breeder that looks good. Checked OFAs and hips on this site the whole 9 yards and boom 2 have bad hips and the rest like you say God only knows if they have been checked? She is still breeding that female. The male was from Germany she just used him because she came into season while she was there ranking...Both are very well-known dogs. Then she gave me the male from 2 different parents. Same deal been breeding these two for years never had a problem and boom along comes me..Not like the testicle was even close. When he was neutered the vet found it in his stomach, she was amazed how far up it was...And his daddy is very well known..I am waiting until he is two and will have both of them x-rayed at the same time as he is very afraid of the vet and she calms him a bid. I don't want to point a finger at her as she honored her contract. I guess the question that lingers in my mind is had she found the kryptoric male would he have been put down and had she kept the female which she wanted, luckily I had my money down would she have been put down when the prelimbs came back??? Do you see where I am going here?

VBK9 where are you from VBPD by any chance???? Not sure what that means.... guess the question that lingers in my mind is had she found the kryptoric male would he have been put down and had she kept the female which she wanted, luckily I had my money down would she have been put down when the prelimbs came back??? ANY breeder who would put down a pup simply because he was cryptorchid should not be breeding-PERIOD. The pup should definatly be sold on a pet contract with a neuter agreement, but never put down for that reason. If a dog has severe HD then I can see having them put down but most can live a normal happy life with the right management. IMO, a breeder who puts down any dog that won't make them money is definatly corrupt...

VBPD Virginia Beach Police Dept. Was just curious if you were an old running mate. I'm retired cop. I know for a fact that she put down a female that had bad elbows. She showed me the forms. Her way of ensuring the integrity of the breed were her words. She did offer to fix the elbows if the people that wanted her would still take her and spay her but they wanted a breeder dog. So rather than putting it up for a lower price or giving it away she put her down..I told her if she runs across that again to please send me the dog rather than kill it I will gladly take. I think she is corrupt. I got 2 bad dogs from her in 3 years and she has been doing this for a while and NEVER had a problem before..Till along comes me..Problem is most people never check the dogs just breed them when they go into heat to get the money. God knows how many are out there. I even volunteered to make a database and manage it for free for the AKC...No hip certifications on both parents and the puppies can't be registered but that also comes down to the almighty dollar and, of course, they refused. It is just frustrating