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by Lissa on 09 December 2007 - 21:12

Hi, I have an 8 yr old entire male Shepherd and a 9 mth old male Shepherd who get along fine, but in the last few weeks my older boy has started bothering the younger one by sniffing around his rear end, and following around after him crying and acting like he wants to mount him! The younger one lets him do this but kind of playfully bites him but never tells him off. Our older dog hasnt been neutered as we ve never had any kind of problem with him before, even though hes lived with other dogs all of his life, in fact hes always been the underdog until now. Before we got the younger dog he lived with another male who was very dominant to him but unfortunately we lost him through illness and we got this dog as a puppy of 8 weeks and we ve had no problems up to now. Will our younger boy eventually tell him off, he seems very submissive, he hasnt started to bark if  anyone knocks at the door or if he hears any noises outside, in fact he seems frightened by  strange people, hes been to classes which he still attends, but still seems nervous. He is from a German show type line with most of his pedigree holding Sch. 11 and 111 qualifications so I thought he d be pretty stable. He s been very well socialised from a puppy, at local stores, precincts and schools and we get lots of visitors to our house. Will he eventually start to feel more protective towards strangers, and put our older dog in his place when he tries it on sexually! Any advice would be welcome please! Lissa.


Shepherd Woman

by Shepherd Woman on 09 December 2007 - 22:12

The older dog is showing he is alpha in my opinion.


yellowrose of Texas

by yellowrose of Texas on 09 December 2007 - 22:12

Seperate the young dog from the older dog...never raise a young male with an older one...he needs to build confidence and cant become his own dog with this one hovering over him.....headed for big trouble in the dominance issue in another few months.....

sounds like he has a nerve issue....he should have come back on the older dog and ought to be a pup full of untold grabbing, barking and actually starting a fight should have already been done.'S

So he needs his own place and not under this dogs rule.

All the class in the world will not correct this...he comes home to   number 2 and has no desire to shine in his own temperament and in fact will be cowered by this older male.....as is shown by his behaviour to date..


by bender96 on 10 December 2007 - 20:12

this is showing dominance. that is what dogs will do, and no its not because they are gay. they just are making rankings on who the alphaa dog is

yellowrose of Texas

by yellowrose of Texas on 10 December 2007 - 22:12

Your Funny Bender......and yes its normal,,,but not desireable......

by JGA on 10 December 2007 - 22:12

The previous 3 posts are correct, the older dog is (finallY) able to dominate another dog. He checks out the younger one for hormone levels....wants to know if the younger one is old enough yet to have testerone levels that could make the young dog a threat (challange) the lead position the older dog now has and enjoys. If you want them to live together in the same 'pack' the younger one will have to be submissive to the older one (like the current older one was to the now deceased older one he lived with for so long). Every dog pack has a lead male and lead female. Everyone else has to submit to maintain pack harmony. If you want the new dog to be more confident Y o T is right, you will have to searate them, but that means never trusting them together unattended. Even if you let the older male dominate the younger one, the younger may eventually challange (fight) the older one, but only time will tell. If he submits, they may continue to live in harmony like the current old one did with the previous old male, but they can't both be 'boss'. Most normal family situations are better with a male/female pair with the female spayed. As for away from home reactions, many dogs do have a 'fear' period at about 8 months old, If he was comfortable in public before, keep socialiczing him and he should come back to that as he matures. If he was never comfortable in public, and you did socialize him, then it may not be an age thing, it may be a nerves thing.

yellowrose of Texas

by yellowrose of Texas on 10 December 2007 - 22:12

I always discourage anyone buying a new pup to take into a already dog home , to be of the opposite sex.....Male /female duo

by jade on 12 December 2007 - 21:12

separate them or start saving your money for the vet bill

Rezkat5

by Rezkat5 on 13 December 2007 - 00:12

Your young pup is sexually maturing and the older dog knows it. I used to have neutered mixed breed that would always peg the "young blood" when out and about with other dogs. Sounds like you have to make a decision, if you want the dogs to live together. My dogs live in a pack too. Right now it's an 11 year old spayed female GSD, 6 year old intact male GSD, and a 2 1/2 year old intact female GSD. All works pretty well right now. However, I'm sure to always keep an eye on things between the two females. They did get into it about year ago and have been fine since. They got along well prior to the incident and get along well now. However, when the fight happened, I really let it be known that I would not have any of that! So far it is still good and they both sleep in bed with us. I also do not put them in any situation that could cause a fight. ie: they eat in their crates. Both are very food motivated and I could see that being a problem. Up until the summer I had a fourth dog too, a very old dobie mix was in the mix for 2 years. She was also the type of dog that was very passive, so worked well there too. If my older female was younger I could foresee it as being more of a problem, however at 11 years old, she's chilled out considerably! So, with your other dog being 9 it could very well be that it could work out. But no one has a crystal ball to know that for sure.

by EchoMeadows on 13 December 2007 - 16:12

Absolutely agree with all of the above... Your young pups behavior is ABSOLUTELY normal, (as is the older ones "mounting" ) The younger one WILL and SHOULD be behaving a bit on the "nervy" side, he's being forced to submit to a "dominant" male... in social structure "pack" behavior in the wild, he would FOREVER be a submissive animal in the pack or face being "ousted" or possibly killed for stepping "out of line with the elder" or "dominant" something as simple as raising his tail above his back would be a CLEAR "out of line" thing to do within the pack structure, and the pup would be severely repromanded for such... so yes he's going to be very "Cautious" about his "body language" and behavior while in the presence of the elder male. So you do have some decisions to make... seperate them and NEVER leave them together unattended again, or leave it the way it is and allow this pup to be submissive forever, and that does include his confidence level being WAY DOWN or Dampered if you will, leaving you with the behavior you describe as "frightened by strangers", I want to point out that in NO WAY is the dogs "breeding" responsible for this behavior, Your male dog is responsible for his behavior in that aspect in my opinion... I think nearly everyone would agree...The pup knows that if he were to rush up and greet people, he would likely be repromanded by the dominant, for being out of "line" per the social structure and "pecking order" Good Luck in your upcoming descision...





 


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