Aggression - Reply for GARD / Apology to 4-pack - Page 1

I wanted to move this out of 4-pack's post and would like to apologize to her for hijacking her post. That was not my intention. You've done well in raising this pup.

 

GARD, are you kidding me? You seem to talk as if I have hijacked your dog and started training him my way? I thought Baden was 4-packs dog. People come and go in any training club, that is no secret. The big Bulldog that you brought up was not worked in Aggression as you say. That dog came to me, as many others, to fix previous training. The dog was worked in Civil too early, too hard, and too fast. The dog couldn't handle the pressure, became growly on the grips, and was ran by a little Canadian, whom I introduced you to long ago. That was the last straw before she came to train with me. This is the reason that the whole time she trained with me, he was never put in Civil. Now, the reason why she left was because the dog tried to come up the line in OB. 

Now, to get back to the subject at hand. Let's get something straight! If people read your post, and I mean really read it, you seem to incinuate that I am only for myself, my training, & trial dogs. or like I don't really know what aggression is, and at the same time self-promoting your exploits in training. Maybe I should bring this up to the "National Champions" that you are talking about. Maybe Jon and Trudy can come on here to give their side of the story, on how well you "trained" their dogs. Wasn't Jon busy with work that they had to find someone to help catch dogs?  It's the same old story, how does the old saying go, "you can't step back thru the bridges you burned"!!! Didn't something similar happen with Gregg, trying to freelance a dog that they entrusted you to help her in OB?

 

You speak of aggression with dogs that are around day-care kids, train dogs that weren't worth training, and only concerned with having strong trial dogs. Let me ask you since you were around me for at least 6 years, have you ever seen any of my dogs bite outside of the training/trial field that was not provoked? Was there an instance where you might be aware of that I wasn't? You seem to paint a picture that, to most, would seem undesireable? Nothing wrong with aggression provided that you keep everything else balanced. The dog is 14 months, and is not ready to be brought in Civil. Maybe in your expert advice, you can tell me more of what you think I am doing wrong. Are you taking video's on my field of his work?

I thought a trainers job was to make a dog the most that it can be? If someone comes with their best friend and asks if it is possible to take them somewhere, can you do it? True test of a trainer is not to take a push button dog to achieve stardom, but the questionable one. Her dog was not the strongest, but she loved her. What do you do? Tell her that her dog is a POS? Thru training, she placed 3rd @ an NAPD Nationals and achieved a PSA-PDC.

 

 

I don't really want to go down this road but you put it out there.

I will admit that I am angry about alot of things. I was wrong to put 4pack in the middle because I know how that feels. I was there once between you and someone else. It is a shitty place to be. You should know better than anyone how dissapointing it is to put your hard work and effort into a dog and then have it go elsewhere.

I will not and did not put anyone's name out in public. Don't think that is appropriate. Very few people would have even known who you were until you threw other people's names out there. Not going to go into what happend between me and anyone else either. There are always two sides to every story and people view things there own way.

I never claimed to have trained these national champion dogs. I have in fact trained 4packs dog and he seems to be doing just fine. Just pointed out  there are some people out there who do ask for my help, have some respect for my abilities, and appreciate it when I help them.

As far as airing dirty laundry, we were friends long enough that it would take 100 yards of clothes line for us to air out each other's dirty laundry. I have no desire to do that.

There are some things that we disagree about in training. What trainers do not? I have always given credit to you as a dog trainer. I have always said you probably taught me more about training dogs than anyone. I have in fact done so right on this board. The respect and appreciation for my role in those six years, multiple dogs, mulitple titles, and national championships has never been given. But hey I was only a "decoy" and evidently not a very good one. Guess I just need to get over it.

The reason people leave you is because if they are not doing exactly what you want them to do, question you in any way, are not achieving on the trial field, or something goes wrong in a breeding or some other agreement, you treat them like shit.

You regard yourself as a good teacher. Part of being a good teacher is to let the student grow. Teachers are supposed to take pride in seeing their students succeed.

Bridges do burn and this one got burned at both ends. I was cast out of Eden for committing the cardinal sin of training with someone else for awhile without your "permission". Now you have some good guys out there helping you out. You don't need my help anymore so it was time for me to stike out on my own.

We were a good team once. Lots of dogs, lots of titles, lots of trophies. Not many people beat us back then. Your comment on the other thread said it all........ You put a title on my dog.......... No my friend WE put a title on my dog and alot of other dogs as well. You did not do it alone. WE did it. You, me, all the other decoys, the dogs, and their handlers.........................................WE DID IT TOGETHER.

Last night a good friend of mine told me it is what it is and I just gotta let it go. I think that was good advice.

Good luck and I apologize for some things said in anger.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

tact [ takt ]

noun

Definition:

1. ability to avoid giving offense: skill in situations in which other people's feelings have to be considered

2. discretion: an intuitive sense of what is right or appropriate

 

GARD; A few things I noticed in your post: 1)"There are always two sides to every story and people view things there own way." I thought you would know this better than anyone, considering your profession, that infact there is only ONE side to every story...the TRUTH. NO matter how you view it the truth is the truth... 2)"The reason people leave you is because if they are not doing exactly what you want them to do, question you in any way, are not achieving on the trial field, or something goes wrong in a breeding or some other agreement, you treat them like shit." This sounds like you are a bit too sensitive. I have been training with "Training Game" for a long time and I have NEVER been treated like shit, nor forced or intimidated or however else you felt into following his advice. Believe it or not he IS thier for the dogs...so you and MANY others need to check your feelings and EGOs' in your vehicle and come out to train and better your dogs. After all that's what this is all about, right...if you want to work on your feelings go to yoga or ceramics class! 3) "Bridges do burn and this one got burned at both ends. I was cast out of Eden for committing the cardinal sin of training with someone else for awhile without your "permission"." Like I said I have been training with "Training Game" a LONG time...and I can say...when you train with one trainer; then go off and train with someone else...the two trainers are most likely going to train differently. Then you come back only to FIX problems with your dog. This is a waste of time to the trainer, the decoys and the other members who could be advancing thier dogs. Thought you would have noticed this...but maybe you were the "trainer" whose work was being brought back to be fixed?