Disgusted - Page 1

I just learned that a person I know bred her dog that did NOT OFA.  Call me nuts, but why do people do these things? She herself was very upset when her dog did not OFA. She did not even get paid for the stud service.

These are people that are supposed to love the breed. Even with OFA parents you can still get dysplastic pups, so why start with crap? The only thing people care about anymore is the money. The prices of puppies are going up and up. I have seen so many bad puppies lately it makes your head spin.

Sorry, I just had to vent. Anyone out there looking for pups? Buyer beware! Make sure you SEE their OFA papers instead of just believing these people

Pat

I always check the OFA website. But once again it's only as good as the person providing the information. I saw a Kennel that had several Champions (American Showline) that were listed as OFA Excellent, but NONE of them had Permament Idenifacation.  I Micro Chip all of my dogs, so I find it hard to beleive that any one would have several Sel Ch's all with OFA Excellent hips and you wouldn't PI them.  Makes ya wonder if they weren't just using the same xrays or dog for all the OFA xrays. 

Pat, although I know a few breeders who would use a dysplastic dog for breeding, most would not. I was just told about a breeder in VA who returned a bitch unbred to Colorado after she learned her hips were not xrayed. She offered to take this bitch to her vet and have her hips done, the  bitch's owner refused, so she refused to allow her to be bred to her male and she was shipped back home. I really think there are a lot more breeders who would have done the same thing than there are those who would have allowed her to be bred to their stud dog. It's the few rotten apples that spoil the barrel and those are the ones we hear about.

Hi Pat

Did you ask your friend why she bred her dog?  If she did not get paid a stud fee, it obviously was not for the money.  I'm curious regarding the motive.

Margaret N-J

It is definately for money, if this person bred the dog knowing this! (Dog did not OFA)!!  Even if this person did not get paid a stud fee, and this breeding takes, do you think that this person will GIVE THE PUPS AWAY?

Once again, it won't be this person who cries, when problems arise, it will be the unsuspecting people who will probably be new to the breed, and this person will feed them alot of BS, will buy one of these pups, and anyone who has been taken by a person like this, knows the rest of the story, and how it will end.

I hope the bitch comes up empty for the sake of the breed!

Dawn

Hi Dawn

I assume the owner of the bitch (who obviously stands to make some money on the sale of the puppies) is not the owner of the dog (ref stud fee), so what is the dogs owner getting out of this to motivate her to breed this dog?  If she didn't get a stud fee, I can't see that it is money.  I'm just curious why she did this.

Margaret N-J

Speculation.........Why do people do this?

What are some of the reasons? "I have a German Shepherd, and you have  a German Shepherd, lets do a breeding and they will make nice puppies, and we will make alot of money since they are pure bred dogs". OR," I want my children to experience the birth of puppies". Or a million of other reasons of why not to breed, and yet it is done.

Why didn't the owner of the Stud dog say NO? Don't you think that they will split the sale of the pups? I do.

Dawn

Before we get out the rope, it might be good to ask why OFA rejected this dog. Was it the result of a poor quality xray as we see here every week? I find it ironic that so many use dogs with NZ hips without a second thought, but let someone use a dog that is rated by OFA as having mild HD and everyone goes nuts. All of our pedigrees have tons of NZ dogs and there are many litters advertsied here out of one or both NZ parents. NZ  loosely translates to mild HD in the OFA scheme.  

While I would not breed to or from most dogs that did not receive an OFA pass, I'd take it one step farther and ask for more details before sending that dog's owner to the gallows. If we're talking a dog with moderate HD or worse, then the complaint is probably valid.

 This would be the perfect time for me to mention if the AKC would not issue papers to breeding dogs without OFA normal ratings do you know  how that would cut down on the incidents of dysplaisa in the breed. So lets work this problem from the top down and bottom up educate the breeders and demand more from the orginization... 

I don't think I'd want AKC involved in telling me which dogs I can or cannot breed and register. Requiring OFA certification would prevent the registration of all litters produced by most NZ dogs and would have a very profound effect on which dogs are imported into the US from Germany. As fas as I know, most German breeders do not use OFA and that would force them into doing that if they wanted to sell dogs to the US. How many here have imported dogs that are out of parents with OFA numbers?  Most NZ dogs would probably not even be eligible for an OFA number.

IMO requiring OFA certifcation in order to register litters with the AKC would change the entire face of the breed both here and in Germany and that change might not be for the better. I can think of many more reasons to keep AKC out of the mix including the lack of consistency in OFA evaluations. When a dog is mildly dysplastic one month and an OFA good the next with a new xrary, the system is not working. What about dogs with Penn Hip clearances. There are many more reasons to keep AKC out of the mix.

It still comes down to the integrity of the breeder as it should. AKC is a registery, not a policing agency. Policing breeders and teaching them right from wrong is the responsibility of the national and local breed clubs. Don't blame the AKC (or the SV ) because breeders use make bad choices; place that blame where it belongs, squarely in the laps of those who do it.