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by smartboy on 21 November 2007 - 17:11

how about mating 10 months bitch (first season).  suggestions/comments.

 

regards,

smartboy


Bob-O

by Bob-O on 21 November 2007 - 17:11

Suggestions/Comments? Don't do it. Her hormones are saying "yes, yes" but her body would like to say "No!" At ten (10) months of age she is neither physically nor mentally mature. The MINIMUM age for breeding is twenty (20) months per the S.V.'s rules, and in my opinion that is at least four (4) months too soon. The mental development of the dam is at least as important as the physical development because a good dam leaves a lasting imprint on her puppies. Essentially, sorry mother = sorry puppies.

Just My Opinion,

Bob-O.

 


gsdfanatic1964

by gsdfanatic1964 on 21 November 2007 - 17:11

Don't. 


Sue B

by Sue B on 21 November 2007 - 18:11

Be kind and considerate as well as Smart Boy and DONT DO IT !

Sue


Two Moons

by Two Moons on 21 November 2007 - 18:11

Do not breed until she is two and has a good or better OFA.    She's like a six year old child at 10 months, you could harm her.   Alot gets said here about breeding please read some of it and use good sense.


by oussama on 21 November 2007 - 21:11

Dont do it


by D.H. on 21 November 2007 - 22:11

A six year old girl does not get her period quite yet, needs to wait til she hits puberty... A female dog at the first heat is like a teenager - on the way to adulthood, but not quite there yet. Breeding this early will stop the female body from growing further for one. So unless she is a tank and you don't want her to get any bigger, look real hard at what you have right now because it will stay that way if she is bred. If she is still very girlish and lanky right now, which most of them are at that age, head is not all there yet, bones still need most substance, she has not filled out yet, that is what you will still be looking at in 5 years. Future looks are not the only thing that should be a concern. During the pregnancy of such a young individual the calcium stores that are still supposed to go into growing bones of the female will be re-routed to her developing pups. Easy to understand that in such a case all of the involved will be at the loosing end here. You see a higher frequency of dental issues with pups born from females that were too young still, especially overbites and missing teeth. Often also lack of substance in the pups. A female's body that is not done growing yet cannot support proper growth of her developing pups at the same time. In addition the foundation of good health for the female's lifetime can be compromised. Yes, in the wild a dog that young may get bred and have pups that early, but no one cares about how she fares after that in the wild either, how well she ages and if she has a good quality of life in the meantime. If you want a healthy female that will stay healthy at an advanced age, wait at least til the second heat, depending on frequency of heat cycles til third heat. You can a-stamp at one year and once you have the results back you can start planning. What is the rush anyways. Planning takes some time. HD and ED status should be the minimum you confirm before breeding. Same goes for the male you use.   As for mental maturity, have to disagree here Bob. Many young females assist other females in raising pups (if breeders allow it) and are just splendid at it, even at that age. Some females never quite get the hang of it regardless how old they are. Agreed that not all are splendid at it. Being clumsy around the pups is more likely with a young female and losses may be higher. Many females are clumsy with their first litter mind you. A young female may not be as serious as she ought to be about having a litter. With that I agree.   More serious issues are not being able to deal with stress at that age. Not being able to cope because of stress can result in the bitch not caring for the pups or rightout rececting the litter, or being overzealous, the pups get no rest and the stress of that will take a toll on them, or eating them, or getting sick herself, especially if she cannot settle down to rest and get proper sleep, etc. The young body may also not be strong enough or have the physical endurance and resources to deliver a large litter or large pups or cope with a difficult birth. A c-section may be necessary. Lack of calcium due to a still developing body could cause eclampsia, which can be fatal to the bitch, even several weeks after birth, because the milk production robs the body of great stores of calcium. In the immature body hormone levels needed for birthing and lactation may not be up to snuff yet either and birthing may never get started when the litter is due or there may be complications later such as no milk etc.  

by D.H. on 21 November 2007 - 22:11

cont...

Overall the risks are higher for the female and the pups. Even if things seem to have worked out ok at first there may be long term implications. Unless it was an accidental mating... then you need to deal with what you have. A planned breeding should never be with a female that young. Let her body go through puberty, let her mature physically and hormonally and wait for the second heat as a minimum. If the female starting cycling early and frequently wait for the third heat cycle, which in some females can be as early as 16 months, which is still pretty young for a GSD.

allaboutthedawgs

by allaboutthedawgs on 22 November 2007 - 18:11

Smart is as smart does.


by hoere on 23 November 2007 - 10:11

dont do DONT DO IT





 

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