Russian Lines?? - Page 1

Does anyone out there know much about Russian bred dogs? I came across a couple of  very nice females for sale, imported to the states from Russia with their breeder, who recently moved here. I am not at all familiar with Russian lines myself, but both of these girls seem to be very high quality bitches. Her sire is V Gambo vom Fichtenschlag KKL1, OKD1, ZKS1, IPO1. Her dam is V Darina S Gorjachih Produv OKD1, ZKS1, IPO2, and a working police dog. Both are listed here on the database. What do you guys think of these females breeding? I am looking for a nice show and working prospect so any input is greatly appreciated.

rockinrkranch...sorry, these are not "Russian" lines. These females are German showlines. Remember, when we say a dog comes from country X lines, it doesn't mean the country the dog was born in. Country X is the country where a certain type of GSD developed into a distinct type. So for example, we still say DDR GSD even though the DDR no longer politically exists. We say Czech GSD even though the old Czechoslovakia no longer exists politically.  Another example is, we still say a dog is German working line even though its last 5 generations have been dogs born in the U.S. with American breeders. It doesn't turn into an American working line because no recognized type of GSD exists as such.

Interestingly, the Russians used GSDs for military and police work all throughout the Cold War, so there might just be a Russian type out there, it just has not been discussed widely. But these dogs are not that.

My understanding is that there is a line of dogs that closely resemble GSD's that derive from Russia, they are called East European Shepherds. They were developed from GSD's but some other breed of dog (possibly Russian Terrier?) was added to increase their size. They can reach 32" and completely black dogs are preferred.

Found this site which has some more information on them http://easteuropeanshepherd.com/

I like those dogs. aspecially the ones with better pigment. It seems like as the size was increased the structure was changes to suport the extra weight.

Thank you DDRShep. I only have and know working lines, mainly DDR, and some Czech lines. I prefer DDR and Pohranichni Straze lines. I am unfamiliar with show lines of any sort, so when this breeder spouted that these dogs were "Russian" lines, and stated that Russia breeds to a higher working standard than Germany, I was curious, but thankfully, did not go for it on the breeder's word alone. I am not interested in showline females, so I really appreciate your information. I guess I should do some research into showlines so I will better recognize them when I see them, regardless of what country they may be from/in.

Thanks again for the info.

Hello!

I'm from Russia and I can give you some info about famous Russian lines. We has great dogs, who can will be on one level with top german dogs from show- and work-lines. But many of them in 2-3 generations has german dogs or other european bloodlines. If you has questions, I will be glad to help you.
I am work with kennel "Avangard". We has more dogs from show-lines, but we has male from german work-lines. And we has in kennel daughter of work-male and our show female with VA-title. All our dogs has very good working qualities (for show-lines). And our male has very good  working qualities on level work-lines.