What do you think? - Page 1

Would you consider a dog like this?  Do you think that there is too much baggage?  Besides some heavy bonding, what type of approach would you take?  What would you pay for this dog?  Just curious.  I don't know what they are asking.  Dog looks like a nice boy if you can get past the handler aggression.

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How'd this dog manage to get his SchH 3 titles? How is he considered a breeding dog? Because both of his parents were  Bundessiegerprufung participants? He's no breeding male if he has this kind of temperament. Who would want to bring in handler aggressiveness into their lines? I don't even think Police departments would want dogs thats only interested in biting their police officers.

The dog is a good looking dog, just that if hes willing to bite his handler, he'll bite another person for sure.

I wouldn't pay a penny on this dog. I want handler pleasers, not handler aggressive dogs.

Aye! what a pretty lad he be. Just on looks alone me couldn't make him worm food aye. Wit this lad we wouldn't do any trainin' at all for 6 months. Durin' that time him and me just play and become close buckos. At t' end o' t' 6mos we would start all over and begin from step 1. me has a special way with such unruly lads Arrrrr considerin' t' baggage, 2K be all me could go Aye!

Police department would not be intimidated by this kind of dog, because they would retrain him anyway....

Many a dog has this attitude and some men trainers like a challenge like this.....

I happen to know  podium dogs  that would bite your arm off it you looked crosswise at it...so what else is new?

I wouldnt buy him 

Some handlers bring the dog out in different ways.....I have a trainer in Dallas that would bring this dog back to a dog that could be handled...hes got a gift for it and he reads dogs and is a trainer by profession....

There are ads on our base for Sch 3 and Schutzhund 1 males for over 12,000.00 and young females and males that are not titled out of titled parents for 2000.00 up   so toss a coin.....every one has a budget as to what they can pay....others have a pot of gold and money is not an issue....

Brittany

I have seen many, and I say many, dogs with extreme handler aggression that place high at national and world events.  In a trial there aren't any corrections given.  Why would the dog display his aggression without conflict present?  I think that is Why the dog is being offered to experienced handlers.

Secondly,  many dogs that are worth their weight, will test their handler at some time.  Now if the dog has more power and the handler lets the dog get away with it, the aggression will escalate because the dog has learned that he has won.  His confidence will grow.  I have seen a dog go through 4 handlers and go to the worlds with the forth. 

Third, I don't think that the offspring will be 100% guaranteed to be handler aggressive. 

Last, I thank you for opinion.  I would pay more than a penny for this boy.  I just don't know if I would want all the baggage either.  It depends on how well trained and the potential of said dog.

Nothing wrong (for me anyway) with handler aggression as long as I don't have to fight the dog all the time. I would have to see and work the dog to get an idea of how much and the cause of the handler aggression.

If I was to ever pay more than 5000 for a dog, it would have to be something really special.

I think this dog was harmed and he decided to fight back. I think he is probably very smart.  I dont think he will ever forget this. Maybe he could produce some useful offspring, and maybe be re-trained. But I would never trust him.  I think someone should re-think they're training methods.

Without being there, having first hand knowledge, how would you know if it was the dogs mistake or the trainers.

Nothing is the dog's mistake.  They do what comes naturally.  It is an animal with instincts.  We as trainers, need to shape the behavior. 

I had a dog in my club that was super handler aggressive and I tell you what....after seeing the battles between them I'll never get myself into that on purpose.  This guy wore welding gloves and scratch pants to HANDLE him in protection...the entire time there was conflict, if he wore a leash and prong...he'd go right up in when he was corrected (and this knuckle head had to be corrected ALOT), if he wore an E collar...he'd turn and go after the controller in his hand.

I wasn't present for the beginning, but I saw the last year of this dogs training...this poor guy worked his heart out with this dog but retired him at age six after his second failure (out of control) in protection.

This dog was force trained in everything and it was all a battle, he says he wishes he would have done more motivation and not created so much conflict for himself with force.  So perhaps different training could have made a different outcome.

He told me one day when the dog was young, he was tracking him at home. (the dog was trained with force on the track).  He said the dog lifted his head so he dropped the leash and hurried up to him to give him a correction for picking up his head.  They then continued on the track...the dog lifted his head again, then looked back at the handler...the handler dropped the leash and started up at his dog to correct him again.  The dog turned around and started running towards him...he said it was like a 30ft courage test and he was the helper!!!

No way jose...too much baggage!