Does this seem Suspicious to Anyone Else? - Page 1

I came across this breeder's page while trying to track down a dog that has gone MIA, and has been reported to be at a breeder's in New England. -- but that's neither here nor there. While in my search I cam

Some of the wording in their warrenty seems to set off a few Red Flags. I suppose the biggest thing is that if the dog is a purebred AKC registered dog, why are they sold with a non-breeding agreement? And the pup's health is warrenteed for only three days after purchase date? And why is there only one stacked picture of their dogs? The dogs are listed on PedigreeDatabase, but some of their titles are incorrect PDB lists an SG rating, when the website lists V.

Does anyone else think this contract agreement is a little fishy?

Silverbolt Prime

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And whereas__________________________________________________, herein after called "buyer" is desirous of purchasing the animal described above, now, therefore in consideration of the sum of $____________________ dollars, with a non-refundable deposit of two hundred dollars paid. The seller hereby conveys this animal under the following warranties and conditions and no other warranties or conditions either expressed or implied. 

The above described puppy is a purebred dog, either registered or able to be registered with the American Kennel Club.  

The health and temperament of this dog is excellent to the best of our knowledge and belief at the time of sale. The required vaccinations and wormings are as indicated on the health record. We advise the buyer however, to have the dog examined by a licensed veterinarian of buyers choice within 72 hours after receipt of the dog. If the veterinarian finds the dog to be in poor health, the dog must be immediately returned to us at the expense of the buyer, for a replacement of equal value, unless other arrangements are mutually agreed upon. Failure to see a veterinarian within 72 hours will void all guarantees. No further guarantee is made. 

Von den Brookfield puppies are fully guaranteed for two years for genetic faults that would prevent the puppy from living a normal and happy life. This would include hip and elbow dysphasia. If the dog develops crippling hip or elbow dysphasia at anytime from purchase to two years of age (confirmed by x-rays from a competent licensed veterinarian),the dog should be returned to us at the expense of the buyer. We will replace the dog (due to crippling dysplasia) as soon as possible with a replacement of equal value, of the dog, at the time of purchase. We reserve the right to request that the x-ray be sent first for review by a board certified veterinary radiologist or other veterinarian of our choice. Should the buyer prefer to retain the said dog, the buyer thereby forfeits any replacement, unless other arrangements are mutually agreed upon. 

There is no temperament warranty. Temperament is affected by environment and the socialization or lack of, the pup receives which Von den Brookfields has no control over, therefore cannot be warranted. 

This puppy is sold on a non-breeding agreement. 

The registered name of the puppy will be chosen by Von den Brookfields. 

In the event, the buyer is unable to keep the puppy/dog for any reason he/she agrees to give Von den Brook

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In the event, the buyer is unable to keep the puppy/dog for any reason he/she agrees to give Von den Brookfields first option to take the puppy/dog back.

The entire agreement between the parties is contained herein. In the event of a dispute, Massachusetts will have jurisdiction over the matter.

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Silverbolt Prime,

There was a huge discussion a while back about how people will sell on limited registration only until certain conditions are met.   Basically to me that's a non-breeding (limited registration) contract.  Nothing here seems unusal compared to what many were sharing at that time.  JMO.

I'll sit back and eat my popcorn now as the bombs drop.

If the dog is sold as a pet, I always specify a non-breeding agreement and the dog is placed on limited registration.  So I see nothing wrong with that part of their contract.  Not everyone that buys a purebred dog wants to breed that dog and "make their money back".  They just want a well bred dog from a good breeder. 

The 72 hour replacement is also standard.  When the pup leaves I want it checked out immediately by their vet.  If they have the pup checked out a month later and then they come back and say the dog has some kind of illness (parvo, distemper/coccidia), how do I know when or where the pup picked it up?  If they go right away and the vet sees a problem, I will gladly replace their money or give them another pup.

They are also giving a two year guarantee against genetic defects which is pretty typical as is their replacement/return policy.

Nothing wrong with any part of the contract...that is a normal contract for those selling german shepherds that the breeder does not want to be bred....it is stated plain and not in question......Since not a dog for breeding , they only guarantee the pet for the 72 hours which is a normal period to get to your vet and assures you that you didnt get sold a dog that isnt in good health when bought..

Because people do not follow breeders instructions about health care or feeding instructions..,and it pup was sold at a reasonable price, then no other guarantees are given. If the contract is  not to ones likeing, then you shop elsewhere...

Actually , this contract is very civil according to some I havae read.....some havae many requirements and many agreements that have to be agreed upon......this is a norma contract for a puppy sold as a pet.

Works for me.  I'm just used to seeing more complete puppy contracts about ears standing, OFA, et al. When I started breeding we didn't have many puppy contracts around; so I'm just trying to learn what makes a contract complete vs. sketchy. If I get back into breeding, I'll need a puppy contract... and a website.

I feel old.

Thanks all for the answers

Regards,

Silverbolt

I never saw a need to address a puppies ears standing , as I have never had a pup with ear problems and usually mine are all standing at 6 -t- 8 weeks unless a very large boned and bigger pup and by 12-16 weeks all  up. 

I think keeping the contract simple is best...How a person raises their pup can effect ears , etc and you can get yourself into a big argument if you start guaranteeing things that are normal in your breed , and if they let a pup play with big dogs at their house and injure the cartliadge of the ear , they can be down or if they dont feed good quality food, as you havae not control over these things.....it is everyones nightmare when some calls you and tells you  the dogs ears are down and the vet wants to wrap them.....

Overanxious owners sometimes expect the ears to stay erect thru the teething and therefore , if you put it in a contract and they think you ought to pay for the wrapping  , could get sticky....I see no need to address ears....hips are different subject..some guarantee them some dont....and there are many conditions to the contract ...just read contracts on all the sites you can find and make your own decision of what suits your breeding. and then write your own.