Hip x-rays .... what you think? - Page 1

Got my males hips/elbows done today. R hip is somewhat of a concern and I am debating to send it to OFA or to SV. Need some input if it could pass OFA.

Don't know if that one will pass him, sorry!

Id say pass with fair but I would try to get a better one, I think it would be doable

Acording to the x ray it is the left side in question. There is remodeling to the femeral head and there is no femeral neck due to artrtis on the bone. I am sorry to say they would not pass OFA eather way because they are very stait there is nothing wrong with the film. If sent to germany you might get a A3. Though i will ad that i have seen hips such as these get this rating as well as some that looked way better get that same rating. But i would say OFA mild on the left side. Good luck

Maybe fair;  was not sure how old this boy is??

How old, was he anesthesized? I wouldn't send this xray to OFA due to the quality. I think a good quality xray will get him a fair, maybe even a good.Those knees need to be rotated inwardly and the positioning needs to be symetrical. Some dogs naturally have shorter, thicker femural necks. I can see no remodeling.

Nan, he is 28 mos.

I see the left hip as the issue, and I see a bit of subluxation....not bad.  I would guess from the film that the dog was completely unconscious. They are not totally straight- they are tilted slightly. Now, not a huge deal, but the hip doesn't look that bad, either. So, if you picture it where it would be in perfect positioning (the femoral head), then you may see the difference between pass and fail. I see a thicker neck, but I also think part of that is the angle and the difference between the rotation of the right knee vs. the left, which I'm guessing to a certain degree based on what I can see...I would really like to see the knees. Really, knees should be in any xray you submit anywhere.  I don't see flattening, and the head is still fairly round, imo. With regard to that thicker, less defined neck, I have had/seen dogs with that due to damage, and seen/had it simply due to their conformation (both happened to be DDR/Czech males of heavy bone).. Much later in life, there was no further "damage"....it was simply their inherent conformation and not actually "remodeling." Of course, this is impossible to tell except by "wait and see."

If he were my dog, I would maybe redo them and make sure knees are in the film and rotated exactly- perfectly- totally equal on both sides, have the pelvis completely straight, and send them to the SV. The SV will consider far more pertinent information than OFA. OFA will not like the heavier bones and lack of obvious necks. I know this from experience. I would think a fast normal may be attainable.

I posted before I saw Blitzen's post. I agree- must be symmetrical, and knees must be rotated in to get an accurate picture of how those hips sit. Blitzen said it better...perhaps I'm too involved.

The quality is not thgood, try to get better positioning as it has been mentioned. I had better hips than that on one of my females and I got OFA fair. DO a pennhip/OFA if you have a good vet in the area.

good luck but I dont think those are good hips.... :o( even after better possitioning.
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One way to find out - do another xray. Don't expect OFA to return it asking for another, it's not that bad. They will grade based on what they see, not what they think they could see. I doubt this xray would get better than a borderline, a fair if you're lucky. A fair is OK, I'e never been one to get too hung up on ratings. Most times the only difference between a good and a fair or a good and an excellent is the skill of the techs, the quality of the equipment, and the exposure of the film. This xray could be better in all 3 departments.

Years ago I sold 2 male littermates to 2 different show homes, one in Alaska, one went to Utah. Ironically they ended up getting their hips done the same week by 2 different vets. Vets said, no problems. The xrays were sent to OFA and both bounced back with the rating of mild HD. The owners received their notices of failure on the same day and my phone was ringing off the hook....oh, boy, I have 2 dogs to replace. Both vets said - no way, did the dogs again and that time they came back rated good. That's a very big upgrade of 3 ratings. I didn't see the first xrays, saw the second and couldn't see anything wrong with either. I can only assume the first xrays were of poor quality or they both ended up in the basket of the same reader who was having a very bad day.