hip dysplasia - Page 1

happy deewali to everybody

hi friends, if anybody could tell me what are the chances of getting hd pups if an hd bitch is mated with ofa certified dogs with normal/healthy pups?  will all the pups be hd affected or some of them? my vet says all the pups?  but i have my doubts. 

please help.

regards,

smartboy

I had an accidental breeding years ago where the male had HD and the female didn't. I Didn't keep track of the 5 pups out of that litter, but the one I kept did OFA Fair. 

How would yur vet know   we dont even know.....you can breed two excellent hips and get 1/2 litter of bad hips  or no bad hips or all bad hips   throw a dice in the middle of the kennel floor and see what numbers come up....

Tell your vet to do the same......he must be one of those american vets.   Im sick of what vets say....until you  breed for 15 years how does he think to tell you that....

Of course something will be affected...or Ill wager you.....try it and you can be a guinea pig for the breed.....lets see if you might get a litter of alll ofa goods  or   a few fairs  a few goods   one excellent and 3 bad.......

when are they to be born..so I can get my steak ready to send you...

Smartboy, please go to this link: http://offa.org/hipinfo.html Here you will find much information about the normal distribution of hip dysplasie from parents of differing scores and failures. You will have to select several links to find exactly what you want, but the information is there.

Best Regards,

Bob-O

I would also check out the PENNHIP project.  The are actually using a scientific method to make determinations in dogs as early as 16 weeks, and not just the guess of three vets, PENNHIP assignes actuall numbers.  I had a male from two OFA excellent parents, it was the only one from the litter that was dysplatic.  The issue, I think ,is that even if your puppies do not have CHD, they will carry it to others.

Let me share my personal experience with you, and believe me, a 
lesson has been learned! 

Years (and years)  ago, before I made sure the people I would breed my stud with had
x-rayed their females hips, I bred my male labrador with a female that 
had no hip sockets, my male was OFA fair, the people did OFA on their
female after all the pups went to their new homes,and the vet couldn't 
believe their dog was up & walking around!
That was my males first mating to a dog I didn't own. 

After hearing that, it was like a slap in the face, but it was a slap that was 
well deserved!!

Apparently, the muscles in the dogs legs were holding her up, she could
jump over stuff, you couldn't tell by looking at her, BUT, you could darn well
tell by looking at her pedigree, all inbreeding on mediocre dogs, and they had
purchased her from a puppy mill in Iowa, live & learn, study pedigrees, have x-rays done,
and look into the dogs background, as far as you can get info!
Luckily for their female, she was in no pain cause there were no bones to rub on each other.

As far as I can tell, none of the pups had problems, and thank GOD they all went
to ordinary pet homes, not to be bred!!!! 

gefaur, I'm going to do Penn-Hip on my dogs, hasn't it been around longer than OFA?

Also Bob-O, thanks for the link!

The PENNHIP has been gather data, but now recently been able to use that data to do predictions from my understanding, length not withstanding, they def use a superior method I think than OFA

http://www.pennhip.org/

Gefauhr, I am supportive of the PennHip method because of the much more thorough level of examination. That said, I still use the O.F.A., the S.V., and a lot of research to determine hip quality, repeatability, and normal distribution. We know the ideal situation stateside would be for the O.F.A. to develop a type of Zuchtwert system similar to what was done by the S.V. Of course, just as with the S.V. unless progeny are measured there will be no meaningful data. The S.V. system suffers from that still, and for many dogs/bitches the TRUE Zuchtwert will never be known. Nevertheless, I think the idea behind the system is a good one.

By the way everyone, I will say that positive progress has been made with the O.F.A.-examined GSD. The O.F.A. statistically ranks all purebred dogs as far as the examined levels of hip dysplasie as well as excellent joint confirmation. On a scale where Nr. 1 is the worst breed rating, our GSD moved from Nr. 26 to Nr. 27 a couple of years ago, and is now at Nr. 40.  I applaud  the breeders who are working to lower the GSD's standing as an animal with (percieved) faulty hip construction. This is a marked achievement!

Best Regards,

Bob-O