A2..tO AN A3 - Page 1

    come on breeders..would you breed an a2..to an a3,,,or ..are you  ,

no I wouldn't.  you should move forward with every breeding, and I feel breeding an a2 to an a3 is taking a step backwards.
 a2 should be bred to a a1 with a strong a1 pedigree, low zw #'s.

WELL........again, I would consider both dogs, their littermates, their parents and so on........
I would NEVER consider omitting a breeding, because of ONLY the 2 individual dog's "passable" ratings.
I must consider everything as a whole for the breeding.
JMO,
Robin

...thanks to those who responded.... i feel a2 to a3 ...is not a breeding that is going to improve the hip ratings in a breeding program.. the female in this breeding is a3..she is linebreed 5...5 on va zamb wienerau...having been told this personally by an SV judge i confer with when i have Q and need A's ...i will repeat it.....he stated that zamb produced so many dogs with bad hips.... that the SV implemented the change.... that a stud that sired [ i believe 6 litters] had to be rexrayed..also as someone stated hunds in germany are xrayed at 1 yr. of age ...a3 at one yr...what is it going to be at 2..3..4..5..etc.  when it is being used for breeding ...people purchasing these puppies  have a big chance of having their hearts broken...i e mailed these people  because they are in the south and so am i and i know someone looking for a showline pup..when they replied about the hip ratings..i asked why would you buy an import that is an a3 or an a2 knowing you are going to use them in a breeding program...i was called a retard and told to mind my own business... that their dogs had good hips and were rated by the SV.......ok gsd  have been a constant part of my life since 1963 when i got my 1st..gsd[ except  for..1966..67..68..69.. while in the military.].....i have always had gsds...I  as much as i could ...i had shepherds for 15 years before i started breeding..i feel these people do not even understand the hip rating system....any who its not new ..everything that leaves europe is not great.......

I have an border  line bitch, as much as I want to breed her, I will not.........its just not right........broke my heart..........she has so many good qualities........so much drive for a showline..........so athletic........so willing to please.......but it just wouldn't be the right thing to do..............

...yeah its to bad these people are doing this ..folks are going to be heartbroken down the road if they purchase  one of these pups..more than a strong chance of dysplasia..happened to me in 1975 or 76  i purchased an ASSLAN VOM KLAMMLE..daughter.. really nice black& deep red..stong drives,,prey and civil..had her at paul hombach's club..og wisconsin..doing bitework..they had a hard time beliving she was an ASSLAN daughter..tough bitch..and dysplastic...really hurt..sent her back to the breeder...never heard from him  again...lost some bucks there..these people insist the breeding is fine because both dogs have the a stamp from the Sv..i dont even think they understand the rating system.. WHY WOULD YOU HAVE AN A2  AND AN A3 IN A BREEDING PROGRAM>>>THEY DONT CARE>>$$$$$$

Beg to differ.........Care we do!....and I'm sure others that feel/do the same....care also!!
Not everything in this dog world is about the all mighty dollar.......some of us actually have established "breeding programs".
And yes.....I would still breed a A2 to an A3......if "all" the pieces of the puzzle fall together.
We TOO have been at this a very long time....no dog will be "over-looked" nor "ommitted" from our breeding program, simply because it's hips are not A-normal....or OFA-excellent. 
We will always breed for the "whole" dog..........

i was told the same as crhuerta mentions by an experienced breeder that stated that the whole picture needs to
be looked at. some times breeders must make certain sacrifices in order to have what they need in 1 dog to another
they can always be improved, this is something that the old school breeders will always do. The ones that don't have the experience to gamble GO SAFE !!    I ONLY BREED OFA EXCELLENT TO OFA EXCELLENT PERIOD, well good nothing wrong with doing it right and by the book, just the same as doing an 2-2 breeding most breeders would say that is crazy, that's like breeding a half brother to a sister. But they do it, that's called gambling that's what separates the man from the boys.
tiekerhook kennels in holland did with the nick line and yoschy look at his web site.his dogs still look like gsd,
captain stephanitz created the the gsd by making many sacrifices, but here on this forum we got rookie breeders like sitamom that claims herself that she does not even qualify to be a back yard breeder, just walked into this and now all of the sudden she is a guru.
im not a breeder and im not a trainer, but sometimes i look and see that many of the experienced people no less than me.
So, A2 to an A3 if you need it go for it. My father is a vet in Florida he tells me all the time that OFA is a big pile of crap, proof it to yourself send them the same x-rays about 5 times the ratings will be different.

V

Robin, your post sums things up very well. It should always be about the total dog and the total picture. People should never base an opinion on a personal isolated situation in terms of saying what should or should not be done. Hips are complex but they are a part of the dog that is intergrated into the total dog. Genetics tend to be run in clusters many times, you get a dog like Aly Vordinsteinwald that has a proven record of improving hips in offspring and you have a greater flexibility in breeding to again produce the total dog. Breeding based primarily on hips is no better than breeding based primarily on color. You do your homework on the two dogs, (strengths and weaknesses), their siblings, their first three generations, any linebreeding WITHIN the first three generations, and last but not least, the compatibility of the two dogs bred other than hips. Then you have MAYBE enough info to make an informed breeding...JMO