Changes after male turned 7 mo.old - Page 1

I wondered if this is common for male pups coming from czech lines to start to come into their own skin so to speak once they hit about 7 - 8 mo old?  My male pup and his daddy have been great pals up until recently...in fact when people told me they'd eventually be battling I refused to want to believe it since Agar (pups daddy) has been so patient with his boy even letting him bully him out of a toy, water bowl, even taking over a food dish.  We got kennels up outside to have a little more order after acquiring a third dog who's a bitch.  It wasn't long after the bitch came that the 2 boys are just not as friendly with each other and this is wayyyyyyyy out of the ordinary for especially my older male.  I wondered if the bitch coming into the picture had anything to do with it or if it's just that the little guy isn't feeling so little anymore and his old man is feeling like it's time to send his son for some "schooling" in trying to puff that chest of his out?? lol 

They used to chase each other around in the yard, steal toys from each other like it was a game but now it's not the same.  They can still tolerate each other and at times are "civilized" but the pup really tries to test the older ones patience and gets them pretty pissed off. lol  Today I had the pup running in the yard while the other 2 were in their kennels and he ran over to the bars at the fence and was trying to aggitate them til they both barked and snapped at him.  Then he'd take a couple steps back and go right back at it again.  What gives?  Is he just trying to earn some respect, just trying to see if he can dominate or is he just plain stupid?  lol  The more the other dogs try to give him warnings to back off the more he wants action.  But then there's times they'll run the yard together without any problems and when the 2 males are in the house they've never gone at it so this is leaving me quite puzzled.

I have also noticed a change in the pups personality lately.  He's much more alert and focussed.  He's constantly up and down all day long if he hears something at the door, in another room and when we're training even just doing obedience it's like over night he became such a pleasure to work, very cooperative and eager to please me.  His temperment is just totally sweet.  In fact out of all my dogs he's the ultimate best with my baby and doesn't mind her interest in him.  Just wondered if this is just the age when they start to "change"?

Im afraid to tell you, but you best keep puppy away from ole dad....now that a female is in  the picture and on the premises....daddy will and might   end the pups life over dominance...Hes been bred and thats a female .....another male ,who at 8 mos old or 9 have been known to breed....unbelievable..but has happened and I think ur litte boy is becoming a big boy now...and pappa is not gonna stand for it long.....the play games are over......

Yes, because a female is in the mix.....

time to seperate and run the pup and female   and then run the dad and female......seperation   is safe ....together is asking for a vet. bill....

I agree with YR,PLEASE be VERY CAREFULL as it only takes a second and you may have serious damage done to one or the other.I have 2 UNneutered boys and they are great together one is 4yrs and the other is 3yrs.I ALWAYS supervise them if they are outside etc.Sometimes i can see they can get jelous of my attention so i can only imagine if there would be a female in the picture what might happen.You must always be on guard when you have 2 males unneutered.Sure all can look ok for now but it can change in a second and you must be prepared to stop it if they do break out in a brawl.

Hi Agar, a puppy is viewed as being a puppy to other dogs until about the age of 6 months, give or take.  After that, all bets are off and they're on their own, put out on their own, so to speak.  Typically a dog will threaten but not hurt a puppy, but after six months things change.  Be careful and good luck!

Agar,

It's all about competition for the female now girl.  Daddy knows it...and the young boy is soon to start feeling his oats, if not already.  Definitely something you have to watch. 

Personally, I'd say at this point, I wouldn't have them out together at any given time, especially with the female present.  Only a recipe for disaster.

Good luck with all of them.

Good thing you have three kennels.   Try to discourage the youngster from fence teasing as it will just make things worse faster.

Thanks everyone.  I am sooooooo glad I got the kennels.  Best investment I could have ever made. 

Yellowrose- I recall a few weeks ago raving about the kennels I bought and many folks stated ( I think you also) that your dogs dig and wondered what I was gonna place for flooring in order to prevent that.  I mentioned my dogs never dug holes and were fine out there....lol  Well, that was BEFORE the bitch came. lol  I have isolation panels and thought that was gonna be good enough so we were gonna wait to do the floor in the spring when the weather broke- the bitch is on one side and Agar is on the other and they are trying to dig a hole from here to China to get to one another.  They each dug the biggest hole I have ever seen had to be in a matter of minutes. lol  Fortunately they hit tree roots;big ones so they weren't able to dig any further FOR NOW! lol  Looks like that floors gonna have to get done real soon.

I don't think my female likes my little guy too much- maybe it'd be different if it were the 2 of them in the yard together without my older male around but I haven't attempted it for obvious reasons.  She seems to have her heart set on Agar for now. lol  Guess she likes to stick to one man??

This kinda makes me wonder even more how in the world you folks that have 5,10,20 dogs do it??  You don't realize how much time goes into rotating schedules of training time, one on one time, excersise time for each dog....whew I get whipped until I get each one settled for the day in their kennel.  I must've been crazy when I bought this bitch. lol

How do people do 5, 10, 20 dogs?  i dont know, but i can tell you, if you had two prisoners and you stuck a women in the cell, what do you think the reaction might be?  i bet they dont share.  now take 10 prisoners and stick them in the yard.  place 10 women in the yard with them.  do you think there will be more loving or fighting going on? 

you can have 10 bitches in seperate kennels and they will be silent.  stick one male in the middle kennel and watch the reaction.  its like a single guy walking into a bar during deer hunting season.

YR is right. time to separate the males for good. The older male will dominate, even in ways that you don't see, at the cost of the youngster's confidence (if not a lot more). I don't know how people put two adult male working dogs together outside "controlled circumstances" (read: obedience in force)  manage it.  I don't need the vet bill when the s#*t eventually hits the fan. Ditto for my typically dominant  females.

SS

peter-LMAO!  How true though.