ideal croups - Page 1

can some body post names of dogs having near to ideal croups on this database

thanks

anand v

Anand, check out this boy: http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/128452.html I must say I am a bit biased here as I am his co-owner.

Regards,

Bob-O

Wino's koer report says: 'etwas kurze Kruppe' (somewhat short croup). (Thanks her High School German teacher that she still remembers enough of the language for it to be useful now and then...)

Hmmm...looks like 'the perfect croup' is a matter of opinion!

I like the look of Wino very much, BTW, and am not a big fan of the sort of topline you see on most German showdogs these days.   Some of them have their backbones so close to their pelvis that I wonder how the females can manage to give birth!  (Just my opinion, FWIW....) 

I also look forward to seeing what others have to say on this subject!  :-)

Okay, that didn't come out quite right, since the spine si attached to the pelvis, but you probably get my drift, anyway.

What I meant was the top of the spine and the bottom of the belly are so close together in some of these dogs with extremely sloped croups, that you have to wonder how there's ever going to be room for puppies in between! 

Picture taken on 2nd Birthday, 25in (63.5cm) tall, 72lbs (62.5kg) near to the ideal 23 degree angled croup.

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/519264.html

Sunsilver, you are not the first one to disagree with the breed survey report for the Wino as I disagreed withe the judge the moment I saw the dog. I really like the boy, as he is of correct medium size and has a very nice topline. I may add that he is a very strong-willed male with a pronounced civil drive, but also with impeccable character.

He is a devil-fearless and clever but always with a soft eye for attractive women-gotta love him!

Best Regards,

Bob-O

My view of the GSD with the most correct croup is:  VA6  Dux della Valcuvia.   He is listed on this site.  He has produced many GSDs with a long croup of correct angle.  There are two distinct direct issues regarding croups and one indirect.  The length of the croup is vitally important to the strength of drive of the rear and its stamina, the longer the croup the larger the rear muscling and ligentation connected to the croup seriving as a base for these structures to contract against.  Shorter croups, less drive and stamina. 

The second issue is angle of croup.  A steep croup causes the GSD to roll up at the rump and kick up or hitch in the rear, sometimes enhancing a back curling roach and causing the front to drop faster and below that of the rear (obviously this wastes power, can create a short step in the rear with reduced backward extension and can be somewhat aided and covered up by keeping the GSD on a tight lead). 

A croup that is too flat also can cause a short step in the rear and a lack of full range of motion, with reduced forward reach of the rear legs.

A third indirect croup issue is the tailset.  A high tail set is unattractive and usually accompanies a shorter croup.

Obviously obtaining a long croup of correct angle (approx 22-25 degrees in my view) is probably the most difficult thing to obtain structurally in breeding GSDs.   One's best bet is to select sires  and dams who have correctly angled croups of at least moderate length (and many similar GSDs in their [pedigrees close up) and watch these animals move loose-lead or off lead.  Look for powerful drive in the rear, and  equidistance in the arc for the range of motion forward and aft of the center of the croup.  Of course it is best to always use balanced GSDs for breeding, that is ones where the front and rear work together harmoniously loose-lead or off lead, with no hitch in the rear which is a correction between the front and rear imbalance in range of motion of the front versus the rear.  It's actually simple mechanical engineering and physics.  The greatest single movement problem today in GSDs besides the "exaggerated roach back" is the steep croup.  Of course an exaggerated roach back itself ends up positioning the croup to be steeper than it's angle to the spine would naturally indicate due to the body roll occuring during movement.  This results in unattractive form during movement and a substantial waste of power.

Preston, did you mis-spell Dux's name? I can't find him on the site!

thanks bob, a very sepcial thanks to preston i was looking for your answer sir, prior to this i was under impression that length of pelvis should not have any effect on dogs gait apart from  its lay. point well cleared

anand vidwans

one more question Mr. preston. While trying to breed better dogs should we prefer a better croup or a good  upper arm if given a choice between two, as the driving motor is in the behind , i would pefer better croup (strictly "my" opinion ). Could you please confirm it or correct me ?

anand v