Demodex & Vaccines - Page 1

Has anyone shown any links to vaccines and demodex flare up in an otherwise healthy puppy?

The reason I ask is I had a litter of schipperke about 8 months ago. this was moms 2nd litter, I knew her mother and her sister that is at another breeders.  mom or non of her kin haven't had any problems with demodex. I sold 1 female to a lady in Tenn. , shipped her out with health check from vet, where she received a rabies and 3rd vac.,and was contacted a month later that the pup had demodex and was then told how unethical and immoral I was for breeding and selling sick dogs with bad immune systems and demodex.  I had the pup, who was then 4 months, shipped back to me with several quater size bald spots on her legs. I personally thought the pup looked like she had a mild staph infection, or puppy pyoderma.  after getting cleaned up and a week of cephalexin she cleared up.  pup in question is now 9 months old, has a awesome full coat and has not had any other hair fall out.  all the bald spots grew back over with hair. 

It really bothers me because I personally have been sold a pregnant bitch with demodex, and I would never subject anyone else to that mess.

The lady can't say that you said you sold her a pup with a poor immune system, that is nonsense.  Simple stress can cause a break out in demodex.  Can be from something small that has weakend her immune system, seperation, anything that has caused stress to her.  Demodex isn't that big of a deal, it just needs to be managed.

Maybe I'm wrong, but that's what my I have experienced and been told.

Was it ever diagnosed as demodex?  If it cleared up in one week, I doubt it was demodex, plus it would be unusual (but not impossible) not to have lesions around the eyes/muzzle as well.

Uber Land,

 Most dogs will carry this Mite but only those with a poor immune system will manifest it. And, as VBK9 points out it usually showes up on the face, muzzle, under eyes etc. Personally have not heard of it showing up as you described. My question would be did the owner of the pup have it diagnosed. It is real easy to do a scraping and find out. Also, did you also not have it examined before you agreed to take the pup back? Hope these are good lessons. I think I would want a vets statement regarding this pups condition.

astly, If infact your bitch or the Sire has a history of this then they should not be bread. Demodex will reveal itself through stress as was mentioned, however those dogs with a healthy immune system will keep it from becoming a problem. This is not new information. It has been around many years. Good luck with her and I would do some research on the family lines, but it doesn't sound like Demodex is the culprit IMO.  Actually, even people can carry this mite. Lovely thought.

thanks everyone who has replied.  What you said was my understanding and opinion on demodex.  Her vet did a scraping and did diagnose it as demodex.  But I haven't had any problems before or since this incident.  her mother is over 5 years old.  There were no lesions on the face or ears.  I really do not trust the vets experience and whjat he told the puppies owner.  they lived in a remote part of the tenn mountains, and I am not confident on the vets experience with demodex or small dogs in general.

The demodex I have had experience with cause antbite like blisters on face and head, hair loss in that area too.  if it gets too bad, there are leasions that seep etc.

I didn't rush her to the vet once I got her back because she was filthy and after a good soak and bath, I noticed new hair growth 2 days later.  the blisters on her belly dried up and cleared within a week.  I just do not believe the diagnoses of demodex since it cleared so quickly and the other 2 breeders I know with the same dogs lines have never had a problem

These are pretty good links regarding Demodex. The first is from a Beagle site, but covers any canine. I have used the Ivomec with great results for many dogs of different breeds. Never use it on Collies or Austrailian Shepherds. Not to be used on herding dogs, but fine for GSD's.

Follow the dosage in the article 1/10 cc for every 10lbs body wt. You can give it Sub Q or even Orally. If you give it Sub-Q, its best to mix an equal amout of cool water in the syringe. The Ivomec burns and doing this will minimize this effect.

http://www.beaglesunlimited.com/beaglehealth_demodecticmange.htm

http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?cls=2&cat=1589&articleid=729

I get all my wormers from this site. Their prices and service are hard to beat, and always free shipping.

http://www.eppinettekennels.com/ivomec.html

Anytime you challenge the immune system, you compromise it.

I just do not believe the diagnoses of demodex since it cleared so quickly and the other 2 breeders I know with the same dogs lines have never had a problem.

A week of cephalexin will certainly not clear up Demodex canis. The lesions that you discribe sound like Staph pyoderma (as a form of "vaccinosis" in response to the vaccination) which is responsive to cephalexin.

Actually, even people can carry this mite.

In people, it is called Demodex folliculorum and Demodex brevis which are speciies specific. Frankly, when I was a child living in German in 1946, I picked up demodex from a piece of linen used on the back of my train chair while the family was traveling through Switzerland.

I suspect that demodex mites may live on the skin of many healthy dogs and not create a pathological condition unless the immune system is challenged and becomes compromised by stress or illness.

Abhay, I cannot believe that you would knowlingly post a website that Fights PitBulls!! That is not an assumption that they fight the dogs, all you have to do is look at the so called Ch Hurricain to see the evidence for yourself.

How freakin disgusting, I certainly hope they get shut down!!!!

Therese

I cannot believe that you would knowlingly post a website that Fights PitBulls!! That is not an assumption that they fight the dogs, all you have to do is look at the so called Ch Hurricain to see the evidence for yourself.

I have no problem with catch dogs or hoghunting. It is unfortunately a necessity due to the over population of feral hogs. I live in the Piney Woods of Texas, Ever hear of a Piney Woods Rooter? They are vicious and destructive to say the least.

Being the curious sort, and enjoy seeing pics of well bred and maintained dogs, I of course browsed the site to see pics of the dogs. First thing that is noticeable are the fighting scars, it doesn't take a detective to see it. I love pits and have owned a few myself. They were big babies with people but with other dogs No Way! They were kept in a yard, not on a 5 or 6 ft logging chain as these dogs are. Talk about puppy mill!! Say what you want, If you look at their males there is no doubting the evidence of dogfighting. Not surprising they are asking for donations for their legal defense fund. Say what you will, their store, car dealership and puppy sales does not hide the evidence of dogfighting or dogs that have been fought. The bite scars are more than what one would recieve in the occasional accidental escape.

Open your eyes and see what is really going on.

I have a life TYVM, A very busy one, but my life is never to busy to not take notice of atrocities inflicted on animals.