3 main GSD lines in Germany - Page 1

I am familiar with the history of how the German Shepherd began. I read once that current GSDs from Germany come from 3 different dogs that were around in the 1970s or maybe a little earlier. Can anyone give me link on the Internet that has this part of their history? Or does anyone know what the names of these 3 German GSD were?

1) Mutz von der Pelztierfarm Currently, the only male-tail descendant is VA-Hill vom Farbenspiel and his sons Hannibal vom Stieglerhof und Dux de Cuatro Flores

2) Canto von der Wienerau Fedor Arminius - Enzo Buchhorn - Nero Noebachtyal or Yello St. Michaels-Berg (VA-Nando vom Gollerweiher) or VAQuartz dei Templari - Romeo Pallas Athene

3) Quanto von der Wienerau All the other dogs are male-tail descendants from that line: Uran Wildsteiger Land or Quando Arminius - Zamb Wienerau - Jeck Noricum - Ursus Batu - Odin Hirschel (Pakros - Vegas) Marko della Valcuvia etc. etc.

IThe last line sounds like a giant bottleneck, but please keep in mind that this is just traced by the male-tail descendant line. Dogs have three more lines.

Chris

P.S. Excuse the typos! I was typing too fast. Sorry!

I looked up male-tail descendants and did not get a good answer to what that means. Also what are these 3 more lines?

"Male-tail" descendents?  "Male-tail"?? I can imagine what you are referring to, but that sure sounds funny.  LOL.

What about workers?

what about the ulk arlett and quantum arminius lines?  what line dit it come from?

I think male tail refers to the sire line only. Going from the dogs sire to his paternal grandsire to his paternal great grandsire and so on and so forth. Only the males in the sire line.

Chris,

I agree that he is probably talking about Mutz, Canto and Quanto. But I submit that around the 70's there was a fourth line out of Marko vom Cellerland. And though he has faded out in the showlines, he remains prevalent in working lines and especially some workinglines with very good conformation.

There is a simple solution to this:

If  you have an URMA book, ANY Urma book, go to each and every Sieger's lineage in the back of each section Male Adult Female Adult etc and there  you see that it traces back to those three dogs every time. 

Its only the lineage over the male lines (not the tail/tale) not the female lines.  Its done like that because it can only be done like that...  The males produce way more offspring, therefore chances for breed improvement coming thru them, like 99.99 percent.  Some females obviously have contributed hugely but only few get real credit. 

Palme Wildsteigerland is one that comes to mind.

http://kerschberger.com/QUANTOwienerauline.htm   is all about that - written by Gerrit Nagel, from Holland, and translated by yours truly.  Enjoy, its a great read and good explanation.  that page will lead to CANTO wienerau line and back to Mutz's line.