To tell or not to tell - Page 1

Ok this has come up a lot on this site. What to do when someone has not done what they have said they would do. For example….not holding up their end of a contract, not sending papers, selling a dog with fake papers.

Here is my opinion of it all. I feel like people will try and get away with things that they think they will not get caught doing. They tell a small white lie, no one finds out so the next time it is a little bigger of a lie…they will continue to lie, until they get caught. Think about it, would they tell a lie, or mistruth if they knew they would get caught? If they knew they would be publicly called on it? No most likely not.

I think the more that we protect these people by not telling who they are, or at least giving enough info that they can be found out we are encouraging them to continue with the lying and cheating of others. How can we say “did you do your homework” when someone get cheated if no one will tell when someone is doing the cheating. Hey you can ask someone for references but do you really think they are going to give out the names of the people that are mad at them? That they have cheated, and stolen from? Hell no, they are going to give you the names of the people that love them and think they are the best breeders in the whole world. I think it is our responsibility of those of us that have been in this business long enough to get a good feel for who is lying and who is honest tell on those that have done the cheating, and stealing.

Now do we automatically say someone is a bad breeder not to be trusted if one person has bad dealings with them? I wouldn’t because I have also learned that you can’t please all of the people all of the time. But what shows someone’s true colors is those that try to fix the problems that can and do arise in business. Did they follow their contract? Did they have a contract? Are they doing the best that they can do? Do they defend themselves when someone posts something about them? Not a battle of words, but “hey this is my side of the story.” How did they treat the person who is upset. I will tell you just recently I had a situation that I was helping a training client with…the dog that she had bought had bad ears and so did the replacement…When dealing with the breeder she what hateful and lied…when she was called on it publicly, guess what she fixed the situation.

I think that we should always assume that someone is going to cheat us, and be very surprised when they don’t. We should also praise them publicly. Be a reference for them…also for those situations that didn’t go as we planned but were fixed quickly and with respect…praise them for this, it takes a strong person to fight the temptation to fall in the breeders/brokers that are making a quick buck, and lying and cheating people. It is much harder to do the right thing all the time. Make sure all the paperwork is in order, that the dog is what you are saying it is. These are the qualities that we should look for in all of the people that we do business with, but if someone is good a lying and cheating even the best of us will get scammed sometimes. What we do to protect ourselves and others is to TELL on them. People will be less likely to do it again if they got called on it before.

Jmo

Heather

Sounds like paranoia,
I always look for good in people, but proceed cautiously,
don't go in blind when it comes to agreeing on a contract.

get things in writing, before taking puppy home.

I'm a big hypocrite when I tell people I don't like to 
ship my puppies, cause I want to meet the individuals
that will be raising them, yet I use stud dogs that have 
been shipped over in a plane.........(Thought I'd throw that in)............

I have to say, the people purchasing an import, from a total 
stranger that they have to put trust into, and if things go wrong,
I don't think they have any recourse, I'm not as tough as those 
people are, I think if I got screwed over, I'd just count my losses,
and kick myself, cause I probably should have checked around 
with others who had dealt with the strangers.

When making any kind of business deal be it big or small,
take as much time as you feel comfortable with,sleep on it, and if they
tell you you're going to miss out if you don't hurry and decide,

then it wasn't going to be a good deal for you. 

And yes, I totally agree with you!, if you have been screwed over by someone,
TELL the world, put it in the paper if you have to, so hopefully the same thing
doesn't happen to someone else!

(OK now who are they?)...........................................................................

Well, if you're going to open the can of worms, and "call out" someone for a bad deal, you better have the facts to back it up!  Remember the post about the "Z litter"?  The buyer trashed the breeder on this web board, but ended up looking like an ass herself when the breeder found out what was going on and posted her response. 

If you're going to go public with a complaint, be prepared to get ganged up on by all the buddies of the breeder/importer.  I had a sour deal with an importer and posted what I thought was a polite but factual thread on another discussion board.  One of the guy's good buddies jumped right on the thread and lashed out in a serious way.  This guy called my cell phone, he called me at my office, and his scathing emails could have lit waterlogged wood on fire.  I finally pulled the thread to avoid the harassement. 

Sometimes, unfortunately, calling out a breeder/importer on a sour deal is the only way to get your papers, or your replacement pup.  I wish it weren't so, and it's not a tactic I recommend unless you've got facts, photos, videos, or something to back up your line.

Choose your battles carefully!

Yvette

I'm holding off on releasing the name of the person I bought our male from becaus I would like to THINK she got the papers in the mail,  I just have my serious doubts... 

But I Agree with you that had I been warned about this person before I bought this dog,  as soon as I inquired about the dog and the person got really pushy and Super Demanding,  I want this much $ and then you'll get that,  I want this much $ and then I'll do this,  I want this much $ and you sign here and fax it back and you'll get that...  It was NEVER ending fees, and money's.   So HAD I been forewarned,  I NEVER would have sent this person a dime,  because the first thing out of this persons mouth was "Deposits are NOT refundable"   then after things started going south, and all the money's had been paid,  I received an email saying "I don't do Refunds of any kind EVER"   So all that money had been paid and this person had no intention of sending one red cent back to us, if we had asked to just get out of it,  But of course I still had to pay the boarding fee,  BC the dog missed the first flight...  This also meant I had to make a second 500 mile round trip to get dog from airport,  that I had NOT counted on...

I'm waiting to see if this person WILL come through on the promises made....choose your battles is good advice  :-)

ladywolf45169,

You're one up on scammer's, and people with lieabetes! 

Using tools like that to weed them out, they'll avoid you like the plague!

ladywolf- yes you had the double wammy and I don't know which one was worse....I've never heard of the first person but the second one is definately not a stranger to this board and to many who've dealt with him over the years.  I tell people up front when I do business with them of any kind that if I'm happy then I will brag to the world how wonderful the person was to deal with; IF I get screwed then I am putting it in the paper, the media, internet; hell I may even tell the secretary of defense. lol 

Me personally if I know I'm 100% right and I've been wronged I have no problem calling the person out.  If their cronnies wanna jump on the ban wagon then they can come get some too. lol  To rip a total stranger off is one thing but to rip off someone who's trusted in you as a friend and then steal their dog on top of it all takes things to a whole other level.  Then it gets personal....like you tried to kidnap my kid.  No mercy at that point.

I'm right there with ya Agar. If you screw someone over your name is fair game. If you are a stand up person, I will also scream that from the roof tops. I'm an equal op advertiser! LOL I'm so glad lately I have good things to say about the dog world.

Me too 4pack.  I'm a happy girl this week.  Meds must be kickin in. lol

I have non, can we share? LOL