X-rays. What do you think? - Page 1

Any thoughts about the possibility of these passing OFA.  Top one was taken of a dog under full sedation and was an x-ray film that I took a picture of with my digital camera, with a light behind it.

Bottom one is from a computer disc provided by the Vet.

Appreciate any thoughts from those knowledgeable in these matters.

positioning is not great on either of them.  Are these the same dog?  How old is the dog(s) when the x-rays were taken?  I would say right now that niether is perfect, but both IMO would pass OFA with the second one being IMO OFA Good or possibly Excellent.

molly

Dog is a male.  Same dog.  First pic taken at age 26 months.  Second taken at age 34 months.  Two different vets, two different ways (out and awake).  I assisted with the taking of the seond set.  That was interesting.  The first set was just drop off the dog and come back in five or six hours and get him.

I have the results of the first set from OFA already, but will not reveal it until I receive the result of the second set.

Let's see who gets it the same as OFA.

The vet was telling me that he took x-rays of three Labs and in his opinion, they all three were excellent, but at the worst, good.  The results all three came back as fair.  He was upset and confused and "investigated" as best he could and found that although results are a compilation of three different "readers" of any given x-ray, there are about 20 different "readers" who take turns and that it all depends who you get.  He also stated that he attended a symposium by OFA and one of the "readers" told the audience that he would never personally give an excellent as that would indicate "perfect" and in his opinion, nothing is perfect.

This vet told me that he resubmitted x-rays for those three labs and two got excellent and one good.  Same x-rays as the first time.  He sends them in digitally.  He says that it is all about who happens to be the three working on that particular day.

Interesting.

P.S.  The first set cost me a hundred bucks.  The second set cost me three hundred bucks, without any anesthesia, and I assisted in holding the dogs front legs and slightly pulling away from the vet who had the back legs and was positioning them.

X-ray #1---OFA "good"

X-ray #2---OFA "excellent"

I agree, I don't like the positioning of either xray but here are my thoughts and opinions :)    First one probably borderline or MD if OFA accepted the xray I would say OFA Good on the second if they were accepted.  Just goes to show you that positioning of the dog can change the way a hip is rated.   So what were the results????

positioning of the second x-ray   , knees of the dog are turned in  which will give the appearance of a better hip socket . knees should be centered legs should be straight, the leg to our right is really turned almost crossing the tail vertebrates. IMO not a good xray . The first is the opposite of the second film  turned to far outward .  However if OFA took them and read them with out sending them back then I guess they are ok :)

This is the biggest problem in getting xrays done right is the positioning.

Pia

Best guess - OFA  borderline, maybe fair on the first, good on the 2nd, maybe an excellent depending.  I'm guessing that if he got a good the first time around, you'd not have had him done again? The right hip (facing the xray) of the first film is not seated as deeply as it should be. When the dog was done again with no anesthesia the second time around, he resisted the manipulation and that allowed the head to seat deeper in the socket and I think that will get him a better rating this time.

I agree with everyone else, not the best positioning on either xray, but I'd be surprised if OFA asked for another.  IMO these xrays not only show how important positioning and exposure is, they are also great  examples of how anesthesia (or not) can effect the outcome of a hip xray. Thanks for posting them. 

Why was it more without the anesthesia?   If I read that correctly.  With you helping.  LOL.   I'm about to xray both of my dogs to submit to the OFA.   Both have their a stamp (normal), but from what I'm reading, some are doing both? 

Interesting though that you can get different ratings just from resubmittal of the same darn xray! 

I work for a vet and most we do under sedation.   Though I'm tempted to try my guys without this time around.