What do yu all think about this muzzle work? - Page 1

Too much fluff on this board lately. Lets talk a bit about this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmaNTn_lkz8&mode=related&search=

In point Karate, students are taught to come close, but pull their punches. The theory behind this is that if the time came one could always extend.

 When these point Karate Black Belts try to make the transition into full contact they found out that they couldnt punch through a wet paper bag and also that it hurts to get hit and they were like a fish out of water.

I use this analogy because any living thing in a real life situation will react the way it trains. Be it animal or human its the same. If the dog is trained over and over using that muzzle, when the muzzle is removed the dog will eventually not take hold in any situation. I am totally against such training.

Interesting. I had exactly the opposite reaction. My thoughs were: God help the decoy if the dog were to get that muzzle off! He seems very keen to bite.

It's my understanding with muzzle work the dog learns to use his body to fight, not just depend on his grip.  Since these same dogs do bite work first, plus during and after,  I don't understand your analogy abhay.

Shasta,

 Any full contact fighter would rather slit their wrists than practice control. I guarantee you if that dog keeps wearing that muzzle for months and months of training, it will affect it's bite work in a negative way, BIGTIME.

You could see at one point the dog actually standing on the decoy, and holding him down,

he realized he could not bite, so he thought of another way................

OK I am going in a different direction on this . Who the hells just rolls around on the floor while a dog is pouncing on them ??"? this is where training these dogs is coming in to problems. Many of these dogs that are trained for police work or even PPD are not trained in REAL LIFE WORK. Did you hear the guy screaming/? yelling? even hit the dog? kick the dog? ANYTHING beside falling down (yes some were real but others were NOT) and rolling around? MAYBE it is just me and I think if it was a real life crimal that he would actually be screaming and trying to get away or at least get the dog off to run! Again just me.

I am not impressed with it at all.

As for muzzle work there are reasons to do it and IF done right then every effective!!!! (but this is not the case in this video)

I would like to pose a question for all who disagree with me.

Can someone please explain to me how this type of training benefits the dog?  Please don't say it teaches the dog how to use it's body.  A dog's main weapon is it's mouth.  To do a dog justice, he must be in hold and learn balance and leverage, while in Hold.

Muzzling the dog is like taping a human's hands into a ball and then having them wrestle or do rondori in Judo. They wouldn't learn the proper way to gain leverage or balance if they can't grab and grip. How can muzzle bite work be of benefit when your taking away the dog's main weapon?