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by m_zaki40 on 19 September 2007 - 03:09
as far as i know that at Germany they dont accept dogs for show unless thier parents has SchH1 and KKl is it the same everywhere or there are some contiers which accept pups without titeled parents?
by Do right and fear no one on 19 September 2007 - 03:09
In America, you can breed and/or show any dog, without any qualifications what-so-ever. We even have shows for who has the ugliest dog, and some breed for that. We even breed Dachshunds for racing. Honest. What a country!
by altostland on 19 September 2007 - 04:09
In Germany as well as other countries, you can SHOW any dog; however only dogs with a working title can get a V-rating. SV will not register the offspring if the parents are not TITLED, but they do NOT have to be Kkl'd - IF both parents are working titled and Kkl'd, you get pink papers KLZ - (Koer und Leistungszucht breeding). If either or both of the parents are not Kkl'd, you get what they call white papers (although they are really more of a light green). ALSO, understand that the SchH title is not the only accepted working title. A dog can have an HGH (Herding title) and an AD and be Kkl'd, and do not even have to first have a BH to do that! So puppies from Kkl'd dogs with only HGH can still get pink papers. I hope this helps.
by altostland on 19 September 2007 - 04:09
As a side note, the "white" papers I mentioned above (from a breeding when both parents are not Kkl'd) are classified simply as Leistungszucht .
And as "Do right" said, in America you can unfortunately breed any two dogs of the same breed, registered with AKC, and AKC will register the offspring. No titles, no hip certifications necessary. Sadly true. You can even breed white German Shepherds to black German Shepherds and register the offspring. You can also register blue or liver colored German Shepherds and those with a LOT of white on them and a tri-color pattern like a collie! And totally blond or cream-colored dogs with no saddle or mask. Pity...
by k9sar on 19 September 2007 - 06:09
Only in the US can you breed 2 dogs of different breeds, give them a new name (not mutt of course) sell them with wkc (world kennel club) papers and charge $2,000. Lets see puggles, malti-poos,jugs,labradooles, boarder jacks, And Now we have miniture german shepherds, mini boarder collies.
Sad part is most of these designer breeds will wind up in the shelters with health and behavioral issues.
Client to dog trainer: My dog is a purebreed (pay attention, that is not bred) with papers.
Dog trainer to client: My car had papers, that does not mean it belongs in the indy 500

by Ryanhaus on 19 September 2007 - 11:09
You left out the Shepadoole...............

by Ryanhaus on 19 September 2007 - 12:09
Sorry I spelt it wrong, it's Shepadoodle
Weird looking beast!
www.dogbreedinfo.com/shepadoodle.htm
Who knew!!!!

by AgarPhranicniStraze1 on 19 September 2007 - 15:09
A shepadoodle????? My lord what is this worl coming to. lol That is the ugliest god forsaken thing I have ever seen. It looks more like a sheep dog type mix. I don't see the GSD at all. Doesn't even really look like a poodle either. I can't imagine anyone in their right mind would actually pay money to own this mutt....jimminy cricket what the hell is wrong with people now days?? lol
These "specialty breeders" must think the folks on here are a bit on the compulsive side considering how closely everyone critiques the dogs and how one's breeding programs are planned out. lol
A shepadoodle....wait til I tell my husband THIS one!
by m_zaki40 on 19 September 2007 - 15:09
thank you all and big thank for altostland but i still didnt get it, i have 2 young important dogs in cairo, they dont have any titel, my question is, if i breed them in egypt, can thier pups show at germany?

by Rezkat5 on 20 September 2007 - 02:09
Actually atlost dogs with the HGH title do not need an AD also to be breed surveyed. :)
K9sar we are now seeing Mini Labradoodles and Mine Goldendoodles. We saw a Havanese/Bichon the other day too. Not sure what they are calling that one. There's also something called a "Teddy Bear" Which is three different little breeds. Poodle/Maltese/Shih Tzu or something like that. It's just getting totally out of control!!
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