i'm bout to beat me a dog!!! - Page 1

 mornin yall,

 before you freak out,  Im not really gonna beat him, i was JK.. but damn sometimes i feel like it! Ok, boss is getting big, and getting out of control. some of you know about daisy, my rat terrier, daisy is only a year old so still has a ton of energy, then there is boss, my 5mnth old GSD, they start playing, and the house get ripped apart.  boss gets so into it, that im worried he's gonna hurt himself or her. they will rip through the house at full speed, daisy is little so she easily can turn tight corners, boss on the other hand will hit slippery floor and hit the wall. also, right now we are on the second story of my house while its being converted, so the outside steps go to the second story...he will run down these steps at full speed, im worried he is gonna break his leg or neck or whatever...when they hit the yard, theres no stoping them, but thats not to bad, not any walls to run into outside...inside he is flipping tables, flipping the recliner, knocking things over..etc..etc....i will tell him NO..NO..NO.. but when he is reved up, he completly ignores me, any other time he has great OB...so...i will catch his collar, that gets his attention, then i make him gown into down, after he is laying down i talk to him softer and tell him calm...this usually stops him for a little while....what i want to know is---am i doing the right thing.? i don't want to break his spirit or his drive....so will he eventually realize the difference, that he can play outside, but not like that inside?

   If im just not handling this right ( and i don't think i am), can anyone give me any suggestions? I'll try almost anything, my hubby is to the point where he's wanting boss to stay outside, not to be allowed in at all...i'm not gonna do that : )

when they start to get wired up like that,  Kick em outside and allow the games to be on,  once it's done allow them back in.    If that will work it will prevent you from scolding him, and prevent your house from being a declared a disaster area due to natural causes.. :-)

oh, sometimes i put him out , but not everytime....should i do it everytime? is that the way to teach him that it is allowed outside but not in? im just trying to make sure i don't make him think that playing is bad altogether....  it's a pain to put him out when he does'nt wanna go..lol....i gotta lock the deadbolt cause he knows how to open the door, he would just keep coming in.....

LOL,  he sounds like he has a great sense of humor...  Yes I would put em out everytime,  That way he gets the idea play is an OUTdoor activity.  Others may agree and some may disagree,  But most folks I know handle this type of thing in this manner.   as that way they are not correcting the dog all the time for playing too rough inside and destroying the house.   It's a win win that way.

one thing you can do if your too worried about him thinking "play" is a bad thing,  you can put the RT outside, and initiate play with him yourself in a more controlled manner with the other dog out,  he just has you to focus on and "Play with"  and it should stay fairly controlled.

A word of caution!

[[boss on the other hand will hit slippery floor and hit the wall]]

You best be careful, it sounds like the making of environmental hip dysplasia.   

If you let this violent rough housing continue don't be surprised when you get your failing OFA back!

If I was your breeder reading the type of activity you described, it he does get HD I would not honor any guarantees.

I let my pup do this with my 1 year old GSD:

Funny right?  Well I wasn't laughing when I got these (the puppy's hips 20 mos later):

I personally will be alot more careful next time.  Maybe some play, but if it is as violent as you say it is I would stop it!

Regards,

Melanie

Melanie,  Take another Xray  that one looks horribly out of position for an accurate reading,  is anyone else agreeing with that ??  Bob-0 ?

I would say it looks as though that right hip (left side of picture as we look at it)  has some signifigant damage,  But again with the positioning being the way it is,  it's really hard to read that and of course we can not see it "up close" but think I would opt for a re take on the Xray.  Unless that right hip is as bad as it appears in this frame.   Meaning I can not get a great view of it and can't see what you can.  

I would not allow any of this to happen until they were both under control and neither one of them is.. someone is going to get hurt and there are more than just GSD involved in bad joints....

My new puppy won't do any playing with the others until and unless I know he will come when I call him and he will because he will be on a leash!!

If they need to burn energy that should be done with YOU!! when they are so young.. your dogs are bonding to each other!! youwill never be able to compete!!

echo---thanks a bunch, im defintly gonna start trying that.....should i say NO or CALM first, then put him out when he does'nt stop? or just go ahead and put him out? i think MY main prob is with my hubby, his first reaction is to say , ok put the dog out....i t've been telling him  no, to atleast say NO to boss once or twice or he'll never learn, not to get in the garbage-not to go in kids room (which i'v already pretty much broke him from that one-he tries to sneak in sometimes but all it takes is OUT, he turns right around),not to lay there yapping his head off at daisy when she hides under the table cause she needs a break..lol....and the main one--->>> not to haul ass thru house at full speed...should he be automaticaly put out for these things? or should i (we) spend a few min before puting him out , telling him no for whatever it is he is doing?

  and the thing with my hubby, should i push for him to give more direction to boss, try to get involved with training him manners? does it matter that he does'nt since i am the one who spends the most time with him? would he be more likely to listen to my hubby than me because ---well.i don't want this question to sound demeaning to women..lol.., but does he see my hubby as pack leader more than me, because hubby is a 'man' and bigger, does'nt show affection as much as i do? or does he see me as pack leader because i do all of the training and descipline?...lol...my hubby always just says ...julie, get your dog....

Im sorry for so many question yall...but im stuck and i really don't want him to be put out permently, i really think that the more time a dog spends with you the stronger the bond,...of course they do say absence makes the heart grow stronger :  )

oh yeah, i have one other major problem...i also have a 10yr old male rat terrier named roscoe, i know right now boss still sees him as alpha dog...so, he constantly tries to get roscoe's attention...he will try licking roscoe all over, whining and pawing at him, try to lay on him kinda-trying to get roscoe to play, he does all this in a submissive way, and roscoe hates it- he's to old to play much so he will lay there stiff and growling- when he gets to aggervated he will snap at boss and boss will back off for a few mins.....will they stay like this or will boss eventually try to be dominant over roscoe and bite/ attack back? should i let them continue to do this some because it is natural (i don't let it go on long because roscoe is old and i don't want him stressed) or should i stop it immedetly ? is this something they NEED to go through in order to live together?

again, sorry for so many questions....thanks for ANY suggestions or help...

P.S. , he will any command if i have treat, but thats not always pratical, should i start weening him of of that or is he still to young/ to green? any ideas a on gettin him to listen without treat would be helpful also....thanks so much you guys...

MELANIE--- UM...HELLO, i am trying to stop it thats why  im asking questions.......u don't have to get nasty...i do not LET it go on, did you not read? im trying to figure out how to stop him from starting in the first place....without  messing up his drive..... quote>>If I was your breeder reading the type of activity you described, it he does get HD I would not honor any guarantees<<<< why would you say something like that to me, like you think im a awful person that would blame others for something not their fault? for one, i would never 'return' my dog, i love my dogs and returning any of them would be to me like returning a child that did'nt come out right....myy dog was a gift to me (my kids) so there is no asking for money back, i would'nt do that anyway.....i asked for help not critisim....you dont YELL help at someone....someone needs to train you some manners...

DKiah- you also seem to be yelling at me, i am just asking for help...this is my first GSD..... i've never knew anything about  dogs bonding with each other, and you having to comepete over that...maybe you can explain instead of yelling...geez

ECHO, again thanks---quote echo>>>>

one thing you can do if your too worried about him thinking "play" is a bad thing,  you can put the RT outside, and initiate play with him yourself in a more controlled manner with the other dog out,  he just has you to focus on and "Play with"  and it should stay fairly controlled.<<<---see this melanie and DKiah...there is a nicer way to say things!