About breeding and drives. - Page 1

Hi everybody,

I have a question for you, i have a showline male named Tank von Balikci which has really high prey, hunt, ball drives and he is also very dominant and self confident. 2 years ago, i had a litter of him and i picked one of the females . she is better in structre then her littermates, her sire and her dam, her ball and hunt drives are also very nice but her prey drive, dominance and self confidence is not much as her sire. her 2 sisters in different towns are so high drived as their sire but not well structured as mine. And another fact about them; mine is really good in obedience, better then her sisters and father, they don't like to work with humans as much as my pick.

Anyway i just wanna hear about your thoughts of if i can get "that" kind of red blooded character again with high obedience from my female dog if i breed her to a well drived male. ( i'm planing to breed her to "bert von der urbecke" littermate of  bazi von der urbecke).

Waiting for your posts.

You will find you get a mix of structure and character in each litter. Breeders usually get what they hoped for in a decent size litter, but not in one dog. It's the dog that possess what a breeders had hoped for (Their idea of the combination of looks and abilities) That's the one they want to keep.

When you look at breeding, you can get alomost anything from any combination as there are traits that appear in different generations. Examine the results from different kennels and you will see a variety of success. There are those that breed many litters and have some success and others that breed few litters with as much success. The breeders skill simply enhances their chances of getting what they want from their female by having the feel and knowledge to select the male that should produce what they want with their female.

I think with your planned breeding you will keep good structure. But if HIGH drives are important to you as well as good structure, then I would go with top dogs who are known to have those HIGH drives as well as producing them.  Like VA Karat's Ulk. Or dogs that have good work producing dogs in their background, like VA Vando Moorbeck,VA Ulk Arlett, VA Zamb Wienerau, VA Fedor Arminius etc.  It may take a few generations to get exactly what you want, but breeding to the HIGHEST ( not just what is considered high in show dogs) drive producing top show dogs will help narrow that time frame.

Keeping the desire to please, IS important too. But you are not going to know for sure on that ,unless you see the dog work with your own eyes. I highly suggest you go and see the prospective sires work in person if possible and see if they have what you are looking for. There is really no other way to tell for sure.

There are other options too with V working lines, but MANY are against that and it would take some backbone for you to stand up to that.  Then there is the trouble with selling the puppies because of so much bias against.  Sad that it does not work differently.

Hope that helps some.

Debby

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Fogot to commend you on your wanting to improve the drives in show lines!!

Way to go!!!

Keep up the good work!!

Sincerely,

Debby

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Showline breeding. God when will it stop. : )

Explain the dominant self confidant part of this to me.  "I have a question for you, i have a showline male named Tank von Balikci which has really high prey, hunt, ball drives and he is also very dominant and self confident."

I am curious as to your definition, as I might have a different one. For me, Dominant comes in weird variables. If a dog is dominant/self confidant, they don't really show it that much, they just do not notice things that most males do. For me, this is good. I do not see dog aggression, and they don't go around humping everything.

Debby, dog1 and jeff thank you for your posts, and debby thank you also for your commendation, i'll keep the way on :)

Jeff, we won't stop showline breeding... as you know, the dogs without good structure  would end up their working life more early then the well structured ones.  And without working capacity the dogs would have nothing more then golden retrievers. (excuse my english if my sentences are wrong)... If SL breeders looks for drives and work capacity much more then yesterday, and if WL breeders be more attentive in the structure there will be nothing to discuss about.Surely it would take a few ten years :) Look at "bazi von der urbecke", he did very well last year, dogs like him encourage me.

I have to go now, i'll answer you a few hours later.

bye.