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My problem with the Michael Vick horror is that it will bring more donations and give greater credibility (in the public eye) to PETA and HSUS (finally minding its business and doing its job) when Levine brings back his "new and improved" AB 1634 to the California State Senate in January 2008.

Trust me, these "humaniacs" lump fighting dog breeders in the same category as they do responsible GSD breeders. Because of the public outcry and wide media coverage of the Vick case, the AR activists will have increased funds for their mandatory spay/neuter legislation. The AR activists don't believe that anyone should be breeding dogs. Furthermore, they believe that leashes, collars, kennels, and crates are inhumane and cruel/unusual punishment.

My next door neighbor is of this mentality. When another neighbor tried to give her a pair of leather shoes for her then young son, the woman began shrieking about the poor animal who had given its life for the dang shoes and, then, slammed the door in the other neighbor's face.

IMO, all extremist, activist organizations are to be approached with caution.

Hopefully, Michael Vick , through due process, will get his day in court, will be convicted, incarcerated--and suspended from the NFL.

AMEN Good podt

I'm very afraid you are right. 

My point is: as outraged as I am about the Vick case, I would rather let the government prosecute Vick to the fullest extent of the law rather than give credit to HSUS and its activist agenda. Why? Because of the ever present AR activists' avowed hidden agenda. I don't want financial support for HSUS/PETA to trickle down, spill over, and provide additional funds/slick ads for further spay/neuter legislation.

You are probably right Louise, I learned a long time ago that you can never trust a fanatic of any stripe.  With all of the so-called "dangerous breed" legislation being proposed, this will only add fuel to the fire.

Sadly the shameless news commentators milk such cases for hysteria value. I heard Geraldo say the other night that "anyone who has more than one pit bull is involved in stageing fights". This is the most foolish and dishonest crap, but they get away with it. It probably raises their ratings. This false statement was made directly after they showed footage of handlers trying to coax two obviously disinterested dogs to fight. It appears that they also have lost some drive. While I have known only a handfull of Pit Bulls, I have found them to be quite good tempered and tractable dogs. I have also had GSD's that had considerable natural dog aggression, and would fight to the death had I not risked my own safety to intervene. I found it fitting when Geraldo was hit with the chair.

Earlier this evening, I was cruising through the HSUS website and watched some of their commercial free movie clips. A couple of weeks ago (before AB 1634 was shelved), I was waiting for a plane in Portland. There, on a huge TV, was a very slick, tear-jerker HSUS "commercial". It is this sort of calculated, media-driven PR that draws the proverbial "man on the street" to support their fanatical cause. I'm sure that the general public has no comprehension of the hidden agendas of the AR activists.

You are absolutely wrong in your generalization that all "humaniacs" confuse responsible gsd breeders with dog fighters.  I am myself an ethical vegetarian who contributes to PETA and PETA like causes.  My religious conviction is that I should do least harm to all feeling creatures, and this is consistent with that principle.  And yet I am perfectly comfortable with responsible gsd breeders -- those who care about the well being and happiness of their breeding dogs and puppies are fine with me, and I would not support legislation restricting them.  In fact, because of "humaniacs" like me, schutzhund BENEFITS in the public eye, as I consistently remind people who are not thinking carefully that SchH trials do no harm, unlike retriever trials that kill birds for sport. 

Don't lump humaniacs all under one ugly label and we won't confuse you with dog fighters or people who kill for sport -- and we all benefit from more subtle discernment, correct polticial and social activism, and sensible legislation that protects the powerless from exploitation yet preserves the rights of people who wish to do good in the world. I personally think a healthy litter of smart gsd's bred from a well cared for dam is a blessing -- helping police, the blind, and others in need, as well as enriching the lives of many people and their families.

You probably don't believe your generalization yourself.  Just thought you should know there are good gsd folks who are in that so called humaniac camp, and we are NOT trying to shut down responsible breeders.  (On the other hand, puppy mills can go down the toilet, and few of my brethren will cry for them.)

MVF, do you or did you support Levine's California Assembly Bill 1634. If passed (regardless of revisions), this bill will severely restrict all ethical, responsible breeders (in the State of California) who, according to the PETA mentality, are exploiting the "powerless". The State or any level of government has no business in legislating mandatory spaying and neutering any more that it has business in mandating the sterilization those on welfare or illegal aliens (who may also be burdensome to the taxpayer). We need education to address the problem of pet overpopulation--not Big Brother with his social mandates.

In my opinion, most people in PETA are fanatical zealots (not unlike the El Qaieda). About 15 years ago, its members torched the newly constructed (but not yet opened) Veterinary Diagnostics Laboratory at UC-Davis. PETA members have have also picketed the California Primate Center at UC Davis. MVF, do you support these activities?

Sorry, MVF, I think you may be a PETA mole trolling this forum.

MVF,

do you own a dog. if so, why in the hell would you send any money to PETA. or support them in any way. they want to eliminate all purebred dogs. PETA is a fanatical left wing group that funds terrorist organizations like ALF.

what is your aggenda on this board????