Von Erzengel Z littler Puppy with Major Genetic Defects - Page 1

For those of you who don't even know Malinda (the breeder) you have no right to comment. I have known her for a few years and she is one of the most loyal and honest people that I know. My husband got his first police German Shepard from her. He was great and very well trained. We purchased a police German Shepard ourselves from her for when the first one retired. He is an absolutely perfect dog.  I have seen many of her dogs and I have watched one of them in competition. I haven't seen one that has had a problem.

Malinda is the kind of person that is there when you needed her no matter what time of day it is. She would even drive to you if you needed her.   She has driven half way across the state to use her tracking dogs to help search for a dog that wasn't even hers.  She stands by her guarantee and will make any situation right if she can.

So, unless you can give all of us proof that she hasn't contacted you to rectify the situation, you have no right to continue with your tirade . Malinda has tried to make the situation right but you apparently don't want this situation settled.

For those that have commented on this subject without even trying to get Malinda's side of the situation, you obviously don't care what is right .  You just want to try to play advocate for the one who takes a situation and plays "woe is me" even if she isn't right.

Mandy

First of all, do you know Chuck?

Second of all,  there are I'm sure a few people defending M.J. without knowing her.  If you want to come on here and be a character witness for her, great!  But this message board is for everyone to give an opinion. 

I meant those comments for those who are bashing her and do not know her or her side of the story. I know the kind of person she is and I know that she will do whatever is right. I just don't feel that those who don't get both sides of the story don't have the right to bash anyone that they do not know. I respect the fact that those are their opinions I just don't agree with them.

Well I sat back and started reading for what seamed like a hour,,,, I am a police drug interdiction officer in texas and had worked with her for a few years now. I have seen how she cares for her dogs and also for others. She will be the first person to let u know if your doing something wronge and will back up her dog's. My k-9 (maximus) will retire this year and I am planning on getting a dog from her because I know she will stand behind them. If for some reason I dont like the dog or dont feel he will work out she will help me 100% make it right.

I work my k-9 very hard getting drugs off the street and want the very best k-9 that can stand up to the kind of work I do. I trust her and know her very well and will get my new k-9 from her. I am very sorry about the puppy,, send the puppy back she will care for him and send your money backto you. and then u can sleep will knowing the puppy will be cared for. As for the bashing,, sounds like school kids wanting to start trouble to me. I deal with it everyday. So lets all do the right thing and stop fighting ,,there is enough in the world right now and we all dont need anymore. bless the yong men and women over seas. God bless you all and hope everyone will sit back and think of how this can be stopped.As for me,,,I will work very hard for my state to make it right with the help of my partner a k-9. See u in school.

I do not want to upset either side, and frankly I am "picking" a side in this situation that is middle ground.  I know what I perceive from the written statements from both parties involved.  I however, do think that all parties involved and commenting on this situation, have the right to voice opinions, however wrong they might be.  That is "our" way here in the U.S. and most other countries that visit this site.  Slander is of course wrong and that only applies to someone who has a direct involvement in any given situation and not include those that just give opinions, without being involved.  None of the commentators you are referring to Mandy, are breaking any laws by voicing opinions.  If that were the case, the Criminal Justice System and the Civil Court System would be overworked by all of the cases brought against those bashing President George Bush for everything from lying, to blowing up the Twin Towers personally.  Also, just think of the civil cases Paris Hilton could bring for what is said about her by two hundred million or so citizens here.  Are you telling me Mandy, that you have never voiced an opinion about George Bush or Paris Hilton?  I doubt it (but of course have no way of proving it).

Yes, I agree with those that think that a mutual agreement could be reached without all of this bickering.  I tend to side with the breeder in this situation, if for no other reason than the age old understanding "Buyer Beware".  I am unsure of the latin spelling but I think it is something like "caveat emptor".  What has happened to this puppy is misfortune and caused by nature.  Not the fault of the breeder nor the fault of the owner.  About a zillion litters of puppies have been bred on this planet, without the benefit of genetic tests, x-rays, for-thought and planning.  Also, many pups have come from litters whereupon there was plenty of genetic tests, x-rays, for-thought and planning.  To quote Forrest Gump, "shit happens".

As I stated before and I stick by my initial statement concerning this situation.  IF I was the breeder and the medical problems claimed by the buyer could be substantiated to my satisfaction, then I would allow the buyer to keep the pup and would refund the full purchase price.  It is the cost of doing business, and is the RIGHT thing to do.  If I was the buyer, I would put the pup down now.  He has no good future and apparently is suffering unduly, and should not be kept around for evidence or a bargaining chip.  IMO.

As a police officer handling domestic disputes, in almost every case is is all about "winning" and not about fairness or who is right or wrong.  That is the way humans are.  We want to win, and will take things to extremes and ridiculous levels to win.  Make a mountain out of a mole hill.

I agree that we all need to stop fighting, it is petty. I just don't like hearing bad things about people that I consider my friends when I don't feel that they are right. I trust Malinda and know that she has tried to make it right but it seems like some of these people who are commenting badly about her just won't consider that she may not be in the wrong. I read comments about people saying things like I wouldn't be like that if I was your breeder but I don't feel they should do that because they don't know her. I hear lots of stories about the things that officers have to do to deal with people fighting as most of my friends are police officers so I understand what you are saying from a second-hand point of view. I don't want to be argumentative to any of the people that post their opinions on here but I know how she is, how she loves her dogs, and how she is committed to making sure that everyone has the dog that is just right for them.

I am not saying that I have never voiced an opinion, everyone has at one point. However, I don't voice my opinions that could jeopardize someones way of life. No matter what anyone says, once you hear something about someone and you want that someones product, whether it is a dog or a type of food, you will remember the negative thing that someone said and it will influene your opinion when you are thinking of getting that product. I just don't agree with some of these opinions. If everyone has the right to post their opinion then I have a right to voice mine no matter who disagrees with what I feel.

Mandy, you are absolutely correct that you have a right to voice your opinion, just like everyone else has, and I will defend your right to do that, just as I defended others rights.  That's what I do.  Stand up for what I think is right, regardless of whether it helps me or hurts me.  Hence my moniker on this site (which is the family motto of the founder of this breed, Capt. Max v. Stephanitz).  I am glad that we agree.

Its just a shame that some kind of agreement wasnt reached long ago between the breeder and the buyer, and not got to this board....there is always one in the mix, that prevents that.....a breeders hands are tied after the pup gets to the new owners property....we cant walk in and take the pup away from them....then we will be breaking the law......the buyer shows little smarts when it comes to making proper decisions,  should have given pup up the  week that she discovered the rib and the other problems that her vet claimed.   Its obvious the buyers hesitation to ship dog back was the root of all this maylaaaa, confusion in other words.........some people let Heart override Brains....should do and wont   , love the pup ,   well...................there is a thing  called    Tough Love    that has to be used sometimes in Life......

Hello all,

First of all, let me say that I cannot believe some of the stuff that has been said on this forum without any prior knowledge of the people being talked about.  It seems people are just so quick to judge before they know the facts. 

I have known Malinda Julien now for about 3 years.  We met at a dog show because I was admiring her beautiful GSD's.  I am a licensed AKC, UKC, NCA & ASCA conformation judge as well as and obedience judge so it is important for me to see dogs not only of quality. but ones can do the job that they are bred to do.  Malinda's dogs are all that in one nice package.  Although, I do not own GSD's I have said on several occassions that if I were to ever get one, it would only be from Malinda because of her knowledge and reputation of producing such wonderful, beautiful, working dogs. 

My husband and I have Dobermans and several other breeds.  We have several other breeds because we like them and we like diversity.  We have Dobes, Shelties, Eskies, Toy Fox Terriers, a Kangal Dog, (for the sheep) a Border Collie and a resident mixed breed that decided she wanted to live with us.  We have dogs titled in Conformation, Obedience, Tracking, Herding, Agility, Rally and have trained dogs in all these areas as well as Service Dogs and most recently Narcotics Detection (thanks to Malinda) I am only telling you this so that you know I am not talking out of another oriface when I give credit to Malinda.   We breed on occassion and are well aware of the difficulties that can arise from disagreements between buyers and sellers.  However, in this case, Malinda has done everything she could possibly do to make this right.  I remember talking to this about her almost 6 months ago when I was at her home.  She showed me the emails from this lady and was very upset about the entire situation.  I can assure you that Malinda has done everything in her power to try and make this right and is still trying to get this matter resolved.. 

Malinda is a kind and wonderful person who only wants the best for her dogs and her family....family that inclues many, many police officers and their K9's.  She also has started a program that I am now a part of to put narcotics dogs in schools to help the fight against drugs and our children.  Does this sound like the kind of person who doesn't care about what's happening to one of her own babies.....absolutlely not.  I am proud to say that I am a part of Malinda's family and I would help her in any way that she needs it. 

I will be visiting Malinda again in August.  I have been to her home on several occassions, seen her dogs, how they are cared for and the love and devotion that she gives to them.  The dogs are always first.  The needs of the humans come second and that is obvious to anyone that really knows Malinda.  I certainly hope that the person who has this puppy puts it on a plane and sends it to DFW as soon as possible.  The worst part of this is that this could have all been done months ago and the puppy would be back where it belonged....at home with Malinda.