Naming of Puppies - Page 1

I have been doing alot of research and the one thing I am unable to find are rules or suggestions on the naming of litters or puppies. A few questions, what are the rules for keeping a name in a line going?  Can you stipulate that a certain name or part of the registered name be added when the pup is registered?

My Male is awesome, nice pedigree and I believe has potential for competition but he is 2 1/2 and has had no training so I am not sure if it is a little late to start schutzhund training or not. I have contacted a trainer in my area for evaluation, just a matter of timing. I am also going to get my female evaluated but I think she is to handler submissive to be a good schutzhund dog, that being said , since I know virtually nothing about it I will leave it to the experts to guide me. She is also 2 and has had no training whatsoever, just kept in the yard as a pet. I purchased her about a year ago and have worked with her some in obedience and she is very quick to learn. I wil know more after they are both evaluated.

Please dont blast me to much, I am ready and willing to learn and am not a BYB nor will either be bred for the purpose of monetary gain. I honestly believe I have good lines that will produce good working dogs, that I intend to work/compete with. I am just starting a little late in life but better late than never :)

My male has had the preliminary xrays done as has my female for OFA certification, so far so good. My male is schedule with the vet next week for the radiograph so they can be submitted to the OFA for certification.

Any other information you can give would be greatly appreciated. I am new to this and want to learn as much as possible.

Therese

I forgot to list my dogs names, Tino Von Hena-C is my male and Dora Votaw's Xena is my female.

Hi Therese,

as from my point of view, your dogs do allready have a name. By adding a name now, you will make it harder for anybody that is looking for the lines of your animals. But I do know that this is done in the US, and I have to admit, I am not very knowledgeble with the procedures there. But I can tell you how it works here in Germany : Pup gets tatooed, and thats when the pup gets his/ her name. The paperwork gets submitted to the SV (Schäferhunde Verein, Breed Registry) and the pedigree is done, with that name, Tatoo # and will recieve an SZ#. With these #'s the identification for this pup is set. Now the name choosing is for the breeder to be done, but a breeder has to start out with the letter A, for his 1st litter, B for second litter, C for third litter ......... and following the choosen name the Kennel name from the breeder follows. It makes it quite easy if you search for a certain dog, providing you have either tatoo# , better yet SZ#. Now, if a breeder sells a pup, and the new owner provides the breeder with a name that starts with the letter that this pup is out of, the breeder, most likely will see to it, that it will also be the name on the pedigree. If you dont like the name given to your pup, just rename it (calling name), but officially it will always be the name given by the breeder.

To your other questions, you are on the right track, have them evaluated and take it from there. Good job, that you have them OFA'ed. As to your female beeing handler submissive, hey, imo a plus for training, she will do everything to please you, makes a lot of stuff easier. You do the right thing. Just go out there, find a good club and learn with your dogs and most important have fun doing it !

If your intensions are, to eventually breed with your animals, as you stated not for monetary gain, well, you wont gain any anyways, if you do it right ! There are many uncertantys involved in breeding and it takes a lot of knowledge. Please do not breed with untiteld animals, try to stick with some rules. But if you are able to attend a good club, I am most certain that you will find some folks that are willing to help you out.

Hope this helps a little. Regards Ulli Dresbach 

THanks Ulli   nice to see good replies with courtesy extended....

Thank you so much for your reply and advice.
I guess what I was wanting to know is, Do the pups retain the sires name or the dams name? I mean, say I had a litter, and sold a pup, litter being A, would the name be Adam Von Hena-C ? I would really like to keep the naming of the Von Hena-C since it is traceable.

My Dam was in heat, I bred her to Tino. When I was contemplating breeding her to Tino I started the research that led me to where I am now. Thinking both dogs were to old to start with training for working/competition, I bred in the hopes of having a pup to start training with.  I know now I went about things backwards. Learn the particulars FIRST then once you are satisfied that you have good stock, and the knowledge needed, THEN breed, only if you are certain of what you have.

So that is where I am now. I cannot get Xena OFA certified right now, until she has delivered. Her first mating was june 12th. Pups are expected  August 14th or thereabouts.  She will go for radiograph as soon after whelping as the vet deems  appropriate.

Having buried myself with research, I believe Xena is a good candidate for working, She has natural protection, high ball drive, agility and a willingness to please.  She also takes the inititive, My alarm goes off and if I dont get up she makes sure I do get up, even if I dont want to lol 84 lbs of dog on the chest is a powerful incentive to get up lol If I forget to set my alarm she still gets me up at the normal time it would go off lol Since it is summer here, I dont have to be up at 3:45 am but she doesnt understand that lol she still gets me up at 3:45 am, I go back to sleep and the alarm goes off again at 6 am, and she gets me up again.

Yes I love my dogs :)
Therese

Therese,

please dont missunderstand me, but it is  on one side sad and on the other hand, the deed is done so there is nothing you can do now. You know, my son of twelve can drive, i still wont let him, because he has no license ! The mayor problem with this breeding will be to find good homes. Sadly enough, basicly you will not be able to ask very much for the pups, because both parents are untiteld. This in return, will lead to that if these pups are not needed anymore at one point, will be disposed off pretty quick, because they were not much worth to beginn with . This may sound harsh, but it just happens to often, and it always broke my heart to see all these dogs running around.

But I do see light at the horizon in your case, as you did a lot of research and beginn to cope what breeding is all about ...... just please dont mate them again, unless you have them titeld and established the breedworthiness of your animals.

Have you ever been around when whelping took place, are you up to the task of helping your bitch if needed, do you have everything in place for your female, i.e. whelping box, heatlamp, Vet on call, if problems arise ?? You see, there are alot of things to consider, and this is not ment to dicourage you, but seek help of someone who knows about breeding and get advise 1. hand.

And yes, you should have done your homework first, but hey, its never too late.

Kind Regards Ulli Dresbach

Ulli, I understand what you are saying completely!  Yes I went into this somewhat hastily, I thought I knew the facts, did the research to find an acceptable stud for my dam, researched the stud when I thought I had found an acceptable one with my main concern being hip issues in the line.

I had no intentions of breeding just for the sake of breeding, I wanted good lines and actually did have a chance to breed to another male but his background and lineage just was not acceptable. His looks and conformation were not up to AKC standards and had nothing in his pedigree except AKC registration. 

The pups will not go to just anyone that wants a GSD puppy. They will have to go thru the same rigorus check and home inspection that the SPCA requires. I will always take a pup back if they are no longer able or want to care for it. All pups will be adopted with vaccinations, worming and microchipping in place. I am not sure about limited registration and how effective that is, or about the requirement that pups be altered, I think that will be on a case by case basis and what they intend to use the pup for. Still something I need to research and learn more about.

On another note, Yes I do have experience whelping and do have a vet on call if the need arises.  He will see her thruout her pregnancy with regular checkups, I had her examined before her heat cycle to make sure she was in perfect health before even contemplating breeding her.

I have found this board to be an invaluable source of education and information. Please be patient with me while I learn and make mistakes along the way. Hopefully, by this time next year I will  be announcing my first Win :) ( if not sooner )

Therese

"I wanted good lines and actually did have a chance to breed to another male but his background and lineage just was not acceptable."

Maybe I looked up the wrong Xena or the pedigree on here is totally incomplete, but there is not one dog in your bitch's pedigree that has a title or a hip rating.  I don't see how you can call any male unacceptable.  Not when your female's pedigree looks like that.  If that is truely your female's pedigree I think she is not acceptable.  I don't want you to take this the wrong way.  I am in no way telling you that she is a bad dog.  I just want to express my feelings on this issue.  You stated that you are not a BYB, but your not off to a great start.

Your male on the other hand, has a nice DDR pedigree.

As to the training.  I think you need to go out there and find out what is required of you and your dogs.  Most of the new people to the sport of SchH last around a month, if that!  Some find that they don't have the time or heart required to even get a BH on a dog, let alone a SchH 1.  Some go to the club and realize that their dog just isn't cut out for the sport.  Instead of getting a new dog, they find a new hobby.

You have missed some of the most important times in those dogs lives for training.  I'm not saying it can't be done, but do you honestly believe that a newbie is going to be able to train two dogs over two yrs old without any experience?  This would be a hell of a task for an advanced trainer.  Most clubs won't let a newbie train two dogs anyways!  When you go out there, don't tell them that you have bred the two dogs.  I'm not one for lying, but if they don't ask, don't tell.  If you tell the club contact person, they won't even let you on the field.

Like I said, I'm not trying to bash you, but you're not getting a good start.  I wish those pups the best of luck and I hope they recieve nice homes!

May I ask what the SPCA has to do with this   / Did you rescue this female and adopt her from the spca    They dont meet any specs for gsds and the standard of breeding has nothing to do with AKC or SPCA......

Bloodlines are very important, but you must also know whether or not the dog is sufficient to do the work.   This is why it's so important not to breed until the dogs are titled.  So I take heart that you will  be training & titling your dogs before you breed again.  Schutzhund is a lot of fun! 

Breed surveys are just as important because the dog must be rated by someone who's knowledge makes him/her qualified to  determine whether it is recommended for breeding, suitable for breeding or should not be bred.  After all that the breeder must know what qualities should be passed on & what the deficiencies are & what dog to breed to that will improve those deficiencies.  Of course it goes without saying the dog should have good hips, etc., but that is just the starting point in determining whether or not the dog is a good candidate for breeding.

It sounds like even though you jumped the gun in breeding, you are going to put things right in the future, and I applaud you for that.