Fado Karthago - Page 1

I am very interested in this question as well.

Experienced breeders please offer up!!! Good and bad.

Thanks

I think the questions is way to vague...

purhaps you could just post the prospective parents or a mating test link... I think more people will give advise if you ask more detailed questions..

Just a general description would be fine. Not thinking of any particular breeding. It'd be nice to see an overall idea of what people have experienced; it won't be true with all breedings, of course, but it'll offer a general clue.

That is a difficult answer.  Nobody can tell you 100% what you will get.  The other dogs in the pedigree still play a role.  I just sold a 4-3 Fado female and she had extreme aggression, prey drive, and a grip that was 100% full.   She was social with the family, but strangers couldn't get too close to her.  When I got her at 9 wks, I could carry her around with a tug like she was a briefcase.  The day I brought her home, my wife came out the doorwall to see our new arrival.  The pup finally released, ran at her barking, and lunged for her.

Like I said, it all depends on the full pedigree.  I had MInk, Tom Leefdalhof, a few Tiekerhook dogs, and a couple other aggressive dogs in the pedigree.

If you had bred Fado on the top and bottom to a couple of creampuffs without drive, and all the other dogs in the pedigree were creampuffs, do you think the pups would be a bit different?

Puputz, very interesting question.  As everyone has told you its all a guess and too many factors to even get a general answer.  I have a male that has a Fado inzucht of 4-4,5.  This is a total of 30 dogs in the pedigree not counting the generation where Fado is 5 on the bottom.  So how can you say that the same blood for 2 out of 30 dogs is responsible for the progeny's working ability.  Cut and paste this website www.vonbanholz.com  , goto the movie page, then go to hall of fame dogs, go to second page and a link to a movie of Fado training is present. 

Thanks Banholz for the hard to find movie clips of some very important dogs.

Pic of my Fado 4-4,5 pup at 5 months, 

http://www.ritterjaegerhundsport.com/images/DV20060430143347.jpg

Kyle

all of our dogs, except for hubby's show dog, have fado at least once.  we have fado with tom, mink, fero and link.  in a sense, this question is a bit too vague, yet at the same time i understand your reasons for asking.  as dennis suggested, throwing out a proposed breeding would get more accurate projections and comments.

as far as a general, overall idea of what you can expect (and this isn't going to help much) is well rounded/allaround dogs.  over the years there has been a lot of linebreeding on fado and a lot of blending with other lines.  it doesn't seem that there is anything that fado doesn't work well with.  at least nothing that jumps out with sirens and red flags saying "don't go there."  i feel this is the reason fado has been used so widely.  he provided a good base for kennel breeding programs with the option of bringing in other blood to add traits as needed.  as a whole, dogs linebred on fado, are fairly easy to handle and make good dogs for the average joe.  nice, middle of the road dogs that you can have in your home, trust with your children, do schutzhund or agility, SAR or policework.  a very broad base that works well with other lines.

check out fado's progeny list on this site  and you will see the names of several top dogs.  my personal favorites are igor, boy, ajax and troll (gr son).  others that are good producers are omar, eich, kelsey, serko, and eros.  the list goes on, but you don't get an impressive progeny list like this one by sporting bad genetics.  i've been a big fado fan for years and will continue to look at dogs that have fado blended with other well bred dogs.

http://www.vombanholz.be/  

here is a link to a site that has a lot of very nice video clips.  go to the movie section, click on famous dogs and then on fado.  very nice video clip.  it is easy to see why so many of his progeny did well and produced well.  a good base for any breeding program.

pjp

sorry about the link, kyle.  we were posting at the same time.

pjp

Not a problem PJP.  Thanks for correcting my link, oops.

Kyle

Ok to try and make the question easier to answer.

What does Fado himself bring to the table.

He has been breed so much, I think experienced, knowlegable breeders know what is consistantly seen in his progeny. Both good and bad. A dog that has been bred as much as he has, with multiple females, should show what he consistanly brings to the table.

I am interested because I have Fado in my dogs. Info would be appreciated.

Thanks