more than one standard for different members - Page 1

at the show held on Long Island this past week I was unfortunate enough to see the New England RD use an e collar on a dog while practising with the helper for the Koer portection test. Is this allowed or should the rule be evenly applied??? Several commands to out the same dog and some unpleasant remarks to the helper/decoy.

It scares me to think that even an RD does not display good conduct.

Wang

I would like to comment that Pia wasn't the only person using an electric collar on the warm ups.   Also I didn't see any or hear any unpleasant comments to the helper. Like every one else, she gave directions, in the warm up, of what she wanted.  After the breed survey she thanked the helper and they were chatting during the rest of the show.

I'd rather see a string about what a great show it was and how much fun people had. (Which I did!)

 Tracy

There is no rule which states you cannot use the e collar or prong or anything else in practice.  You cannot use it on the trial field during the trial or reporting into the trial. 

john

so the dog comming off the sleeve and then requires 2-3 commands to out along with improper use of a training device on the event grounds  is good sportsmanship

Hi K9 competitor  The conformationshow was over and all that had entered the breed survey had been allowed to practice before the grounds where locked up for the day. The breed survey was the next day .Herr Scheld ( judge) overlooked the practice and also told the helper what he wanted to see.the next day  Not one person improperly handled their dog some dogs had prong collar and long line other electric collars .Herr Scheld runs a tight ship and he is known to speak his mind :) I just met him for the first time.

The day of the breed survey he made it clear that no handlers are to train their dogs nor use any other collars on their dogs but a fursaver prior and during the breed survey . Some female handers wanted to warm up their dogs just before the females bite protion began and he did not allow it.

None of the dogs at the day of the breed survey had come off the sleeve  one dog (mine) required 2 commands to release  which is within the rules even 3 are allowed :))  all dogs received pronounced and releases :))  bad4u comment  dog comming of the sleeve then requireing 2-3 commands and a electric training device is false !!plus a dog comming off the sleeve would not require an out command <smile >  Or do you truly believe Herr Schled would have allowed people using their collars during the breed survey!!?? Herr Scheld is a well known and respected judge in germany and in the US for his fairness for all bloodlines .

It was a nice but rather small show and the hosting club was very welcoming and very friendly .

Pia,

I was there.

Shame on you.

It was hard to see the collar on your all-black dog, but his behavior on the field in practice caused me to take a little walk as you left the field to confirm my suspicions. I was correct in my suspicions.

You were very much INcorrect!

Where I was standing I could not see the first half of your dog's Korung protection routine too well, but it did appear to me, and those standing with me, that your dog came off the sleeve on the escape out of the blind, recovered, and then let out.  An audible gasp from the crowd during a protection routine is never a good sign, yes? I suspect the Kormeister, long an expert on working dog temperament and behavior, recognized instintively that YOUR dog's behavior was more a training issue than the actual temperament of the dog, and so allowed you to continue the routine, giving himself more time to decide whether the problem was inherited or created, rather than disqualifying him on the basis of poor nerves. I applaud him for that decision. He was correct IMO. The dog is okay. The dog's training clearly sucks.

I was also present when you "discussed" the helper's form with him following your dog's poor-but-still-passing (by the grace of God) performance on Sunday. If I were you I would have been THANKING  both the judge and the helper: the judge for allowing you to stand over your dog and yell the third out command in his ear, and the very competent helper for locking up the sleeve so efficiently so your dog would clearly recognise that the "fight" was over, settle, and release, so as not to be disqualified. Rarely is one afforded such luxury!  A $100. donation to the hosting club would not have been inappropriate. Your chastising the helper after the fact... was... ESPECIALLY coming from a USA official who is expected to know, understand, and abide by the rules TO THE LETTER!

The long and short of it is that last-minute "training" with a shock collar rarely produces an optimal end result. The training should be done at home, for months before. 

If I were you, given the performance of your dog on Sunday, I would either throw away the shock colar, or throw away the dog. You aren't doing him any favors with your current method of training, just making him unsure on the sleeve, creating an inaccurate "picture" of what your dog is truly capable of, and bred to perform.

You are lucky (so far, at least) no one has reported the incident to the USA Discipline Committee. Should someone do so, and ask me for my observations, I will certainly tell the truth. I may have only been in the sport for 20+ years, but I do know a blatant infraction of the rules when I see it, and your actions last Sunday definately qualifies as just that.

I don't know you, and have no reason to accuse you unjustly. I am simply reporting what I saw and my take on your performance per se.  But I, as a lay person, was extremely disappointed to witness your actions at a prestigious USA Regional event. If it were up to me, you would be stripped of your office and suspended from the parent organization for at least one year.

Yours in the Sport and the Breed, and definately not without fault,

Shelley Strohl 

Correction: For I do know a blatant infraction of the rules when I see it, and your actions last Sunday definately qualifies as just that.

Please read: I do know a blatant infraction of the rules when I see it, and your actions last Saturday definately qualifies as just that.

No shock colllars were evident  on any dog for the Korung on Sunday.

SS 

To the woman who privately suggested the USA Board of Inquiry might suspend ME for making a false accusation on this board: I say "good luck." Too many others saw the same thing I did, whether you did or not.

You apparently either weren't paying attention or don't know what you're looking at when you see it. 

Go for it.

SS 

so we imagined the whole thing.  Like I said diffrent standards for different members. Maybe they will have a bad sportsmanship award this year.