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by breeder4u on 30 May 2007 - 07:05

Hello,

I was wondering if it is safe to feed raw chicken and other meats to pregnant dogs.

Thank you!

by AKVeronica60 on 30 May 2007 - 07:05

I feed my pregnant, non pregnant, everything, all kinds of different raw meats, including chicken. I start my puppies on raw meat when they first start eating, and they are extremely healthy.

Veronica

by DeesWolf on 30 May 2007 - 10:05

Yes it is okay to feed a pregnant bitch chicken. However, there is a right way and a wrong way. You want to make sure when feeding raw that you do it the right way. Making sure you have the correct ratios of muscle meat to bone to offal based on the dogs needs and ideal weight. I am sure you probably know this, but others reading who aren't familiar with how to feed raw might not be. I always suggest people check out rawdogranch.com and look at the spreadsheet there so they know what to feed and how to feed a raw diet.

by SchHBabe on 30 May 2007 - 12:05

If you do a google search for BARF diet or raw diet you'll find many companies that now offer these products, including mixes of meat, bone, and veggies.

There are also some Raw diet Yahoo Groups that I've seen. You could perhaps get some good input on those web boards from breeders who have been successfully feeding raw for years.

Best Wishes!

Yvette

by Pia on 30 May 2007 - 16:05

I been feeding raw chicken for years and it has been safe . Depending how far along my females are in their pregnancy I withhold bone matter unless it is a legbone used for chewing and can not be crushed into little bits to digest alot of bone . . Bone matter to far into pregnancy should be limited or avoided ,this was advised to me by a seasoned german breeder and I been following his advise :)) so I pass it along :) I stop feeding bone matter once bitches reach about 40 days of pregnancy.

Pia

by Sunsilver on 30 May 2007 - 18:05

I know raw diets are very popular right now, especially after the pet food recalls. However, due to the unsanitary way chickens are raised in North America, I would be very reluctant to feed it to my dogs. Salmonella is so common in poultry that even when you're preparing chicken for your own consumption, you are advised to carefully wash your hands, cutting board and utensils afterwards.

Here's what a website has to say about it:

Q: I'm researching a diet for dogs that feeds Raw Chicken backs and necks. My biggest concern was the Samonella, yet I'm being told that Salmonella doesn't affect dogs in a negative way. Is there any place that you know of where I could research this more in-depth. Also, I what is the most effective cleaning agent to kill the bacteria on my counters. I've been using hot soapy water with a splash of bleach. Will this be sufficient to keep the kitchen sterile?..... Thank you so much for your time.
A: It is not clear that Salmonella does not affect dogs in a negative way. Most dogs do not get serious Salmonella infections, but that is probably because they do not usually get large doses of infected food/water as might occur if fed raw chicken. Furthermore, dogs can be carriers of Salmonella. so infected dogs can be a serious risk for human health. (Also note that raw chicken may lead to Campylobacter infections as well as Salmonella infections.)
There is ample epidemological evidence that dog feces may be an important source of environmental contamination, and spread of Salmonella to humans (try a search of PubMed for the keywords Salmonella AND dog). One reference directly related to inclusion of raw chicken in dogfood is:
Can Vet J 2002 Jun;43(6):441-2 Preliminary assessment of the risk of Salmonella infection in dogs fed raw chicken diets. Joffe DJ, Schlesinger DP.
Also note the following reference that mentions the incidence of disease in dogs:
Vaccine 2002 Feb 22;20(11-12):1618-23 Immunogenicity of chi4127 phoP- Salmonella enterica serovar Typhimurium in dogs. McVey DS, Chengappa MM, Mosier DE, Stone GG, Oberst RD, Sylte MJ, Gabbert NM, Kelly-Aehle SM, Curtiss R. "Salmonellae are commonly isolated from dogs. The number of dogs infected with Salmonella spp. is surprisingly high and greater than the incidence of clinical disease would suggest. Salmonellosis is common in greyhound kennels. Morbidity can approach 100% in puppies and the mortality ranges to nearly 40%."
Bleach is an effective disinfectant of the countertop, but it is essential that the area is thoroughly cleaned because the bleach may not effectively penetrate any dried residue.
Link: http://www.salmonella.org/faq.html#q10
I know that salmonella has the potential to kill humans, especially the elderly and young children. Having had a Camplyobacter infection, picked up from undercooked chicken in a restaurant in London, England, I can tell you that's no fun, either. It totally ruined the last day of my vacation. I was feverish, nauseated, and had a bad case of diarrhea. My doctor refused to give me antibiotics, so I was sick for nearly a week after I got home, too. Finally, I self-medicated with Cipro, and got rid of it.

by djc on 30 May 2007 - 18:05

Raw is completely safe for healthy dogs. They are designed to be carnivores!

DOG'S digestive system is completely opposite of ours in that,

Food spends 8-12 hours in the stomach's acid bath - killing MOST of the bad stuff like salmonilla and E. coli.

Food also spends a relatively short time in the intestinal tract - because of this short time what "bad stuff" that is left over does not have time to ferment and cause a problem.

OUR system _

Food spends a very short time in the stomach and a LONG time in the intestinal track. This is the reason why we have a huge problem and even a life threatening problem with the same things that dogs handle easily. Our stomach does not have time to kill the bad stuff and it ferments for a long time in the intestines, producing toxins.

Although I would not feed raw to a sick or weak dog.

Hope that helps some,

Debby

ebinezer052899@yahoo.com

http://castlebrookshepherds.net

by zdog on 30 May 2007 - 19:05

40% of ALL DOGS fed raw or kibble shed salmonella in their feces. It does not matter what they are fed. I hate to say it, but these little tiny bacT are around EVERYWHERE, EVERYDAY. Lots of people have TB and don't know it, will never know it, and will never have a symptom. A lot of people are carrying influenza virus in their mucus membranes in their nasal passages and will never have "the flu" all of use have varying amounts of E. coli in our GI right now, and will never ever be sick from it. Salomonella is found all over the place, keep things rinsed with a little water and you'll never have a problem. Why the need to cause fear??? cause it sells, it steers people towards the "safer" option, and sells lots of products. Fear also controls. I'm not saying you can leave raw chicken out for 3 days in the sun then lick it without being sick, but we certainly don't have to fear it like many would like you to.

by yellowrose of Texas on 31 May 2007 - 02:05

It is only good sense to use good sense when feeding raw meats to our dogs....we eat meat, we buy it ,we split it up in baggies,we freeze it...we defrost it, we cook it , and then we eat it...Ive never been sick from my own cooking....so why should my dogs....I defrost it, barely, almost to the point of being fully defrosted cut it up, put in the kibbles and feed . If for some reason the dogs doesnt eat it in an hour, especially in summer, take it away and throw it away...Also chlorox is as deadly as salmonella,,,,,,the lastest findings out are telling us clorox acts llike an insecticide iside our body....the army and nurses and institutions are using peroxide to swab, clean and diseffect surfaces.....and like on guy on a tv show said,,,my mon cut, cooked and ate off the same kitchen counter for 59 years and she never used disenfectants nor did we wash our hands with sanitizers., and our family was the healhiest they could have been.....Soap and hot water.....

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