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Shepherd Woman

by Shepherd Woman on 27 May 2007 - 14:05

In another year I will be getting Chaos's hips checked.  I am split between the Pennhip and the OFA.  I've been told different things and am wondering your opinions.  I have been told so far that Pennhip is far more accurate, and that it will tell me if he has HD or will EVER get it!  And I've been told that OFA will just tell me if he has HD or not.  What are the cost of both these days and which is better?

Vom Brunhaus

by Vom Brunhaus on 27 May 2007 - 15:05

Shepherd Woman I have good results with OFA. Accuracy I dont know but I have the X rays and they look good to me. Cost probably bout same $24 to $30 and $5 for OFA if you want the X rays sent back to you. Age 24 months with OFA.

Sunsilver

by Sunsilver on 27 May 2007 - 16:05

I don't know about cost, but penhip shows what percentage of the ball of the hip joint is actually in the socket. They show it as a decimal, e.g., .50 would mean only 50% of the ball is actually in the socket, which would put the dog at possible risk of dysplasia, although not actually dysplastic at the time of the x-ray.

by Paul15 on 27 May 2007 - 17:05

I did both just out of curiosity. Not that much more $$.

by Mysti on 27 May 2007 - 18:05

I do both on my dogs, Paul15 is right it doesn't cost that much more.  I prefer Penn Hip for a couple of reasons.  One is that all x-rays must be sent in, people can't choose not to send them in, like you can with OFA x-rays.   And two because  like Sunsilver said it gives you a very accurate measurement of your dogs hip joint laxity.  Your dog may have good hips but if you do the Penn Hip you might find out that your dog has a lot of laxity in  it's hips which means it will be more likely to develop HD in the future.

Mysti 


Shepherd Woman

by Shepherd Woman on 27 May 2007 - 18:05

Thanks all, that helps allot to find out the differences.  I was told though that penn hip is much more in cost than the OFA?  If so, how much more.  And I would also, I know take a day off of work to go have it done as I would need to drive like 2 hours away to get a penn hip done.  No vets around here do it and the closest one is that far away.

by Preston on 27 May 2007 - 21:05

Anyone who uses OFA diligently can in most cases operationally eliminate disabling HD in one's GSD progeny within 5 generations (sometimes three) if one only uses OFA good or excellent for breeding with a Norberg angle of greater than or equal to 105 degrees.  Xrays should not be taken on any bitch within a few weeks of her season (before or after) and deep anesthesia should not be used since this can produce laxity not otherwise present.  The big problem with PeenHip is that the deep anesthia they use can easily cause laxity in the joint as they apply pressure to pry the joint apart, laxity not otherwise there.  OFA isn't perfect (the British BVA system may be), but overall it is much better than the PennHip method in my view.  Bottom line is a good clean hip Xray at 2 years old or older with good Norberg angle (at least 105 degrees) and smooth ball fitting well into the socket is what one wants to see.  Either PennHip or OFA Xrays can readily display a bad fitting hip with roughness and laxity.  But when using a GSD for breeding it is best to use OFA Good or Excellent or re-Xray any 'a normal" SV certified GSD at two years old or older to recheck the hips. 

by vomveiderheiss on 27 May 2007 - 22:05

I prefer to Pennhip between 4-6 months, and then if that score is acceptable to me, then  I OFA at 2yrs.  If the pennhip is not acceptable to me, I will have the dog spayed/neutered and placed in a pet home, since I am limited on space, I do not want to raise a dog until 2 for breeding to only find out he/she is not worthy, I would prefer to find out early instead of putting all the time and money in training, raising and such and then be disappointed. And be out the time I could have put into a dog with a better reading.  Pennhip is quite affordable, more now than in the past. My vet does pennhip and OFA for $95 which includes the OFA fees.  I feel doing both, I get a more accurate reading and a better understanding.  Pennhip you need several views, with OFA only one, so your vet may  charge more or less, I get an extra copy for my own files as well. 

Kari


by altostland on 27 May 2007 - 22:05

A friend of mine had a very large GSD male which received a goiod Penn-hip grade, however, he could not pass OFA with even a fair... how can that happen?

On the contrary, I know of a male that received a noch zugelassen rating - A3 (barely breedable) in Germany; however since they xray at one year of age, and many dogs' growth plates are not even closed yet, it can indeed change.  This particular dog was re-xrayed in the USA after reaching the 2-yr mark, and he's an OFA excellent.  SO, it stands to reason that they need the additional time to develop, and I firmly believe the ball and socket can develop at diferent rates.  Other factors that can lead to laxity include too much crating which leads to inadequate exercise, improper nutrition, and this would include the dog not getting enough time outdoors to absorb essential nutrients from the sun.

I am also a strong proponent of supplementing pregnant/nursing bitches and puppies with vitamin C and goat's milk.  A veterinarian friend told me of supplementing with Cosequin and goat's milk, which turned around a litter of pups prelimmed as dysplastics into OFA good and better through this simple supplementation.  As she was not trying to sell me a dog or a product, I see no reason for her to embellish.


MVF

by MVF on 27 May 2007 - 23:05

No test is perfect, but Pennhip is better.  But not if you use it too young.  Belfield et al. proved conclusively that vitamin C can and should matter, as do other environmental factors.  Just don't believe the wive's tale that says skinny, starved puppies are less dysplastic -- if anything, inadequate nutrition harms joint integrity.  (If a pup is not about 3/4 of his parents' adult gender-adjusted weight at six months old, you over or underfed him.)





 


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