A Monster: Elliot Rodger---Privileged, Young White Guy Killer Syndrome? - Page 9

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Two Moons

by Two Moons on 04 June 2014 - 17:06

No not moral guidance, parental guidance.

Talking to your children, knowing your children, answering the hard questions, comforting when things are painful, and most important of all being a good example, and yeah I guess moral inters into it too.

His problems started early in his life and that's where it all started in my opinion.


by beetree on 04 June 2014 - 18:06

I don't think you understand that appreciating the type of parental guidance you describe is not natural to the Elliots of this world. It assumes a typical responding child. 

I will agree that the earlier this deficiency is discovered, the better for the child. It does not appear to be that he received intervention for autism issues at the pre-school level in the UK, like he would have in the USA. I say this because of the story he tells of being left behind from the class group while in the UK. He says strangers helped him rejoin the class. I also know how easy it can happen in a typical class setting, and it can be resented; the extra supervision required for such a child. He probably got the best care there was, that was considered for a normal child.

I know there are some teachers who are not equipped or simply lack understanding of the individual needs austism spectrum disorders present. That would be a reason to change schools. And a reason to stay put when the right one is found, too.

I also don't think you acknowledge Elliots understanding of manipulation, and his success at it from an early age. 


Two Moons

by Two Moons on 04 June 2014 - 21:06

The Elliots of this world?

Now your hung up on autism?

I don't know if I can do this anymore....LOL

That's the kindest way I can put it....

 


by beetree on 04 June 2014 - 21:06

I am not "hung up on autism", Moons. I guess you just don't have any experience with children or adults on the autism spectrum. You are having a hard time imagining such a different mind, I suppose. And to think you claim to crave original thought. LOL  I figured that would happen and you'd have to exit, bye-bye!

I do hope Lineage or Mindhunt continue with their thoughts; they both seemed to want to go in certain, different directions than myself. Surprising to me how mellow it is, this thread.

 

 


by beetree on 04 June 2014 - 21:06

Well, here are some gun facts to the rampage: http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-elliot-rodger-shooting-isla-vista-20140604-story.html

“We believe during his brief rampage, Elliot Rodger fired more than 50 rounds of ammunition, changing magazines more than five times during the shooting spree," Brown told Santa Barbara County supervisors Tuesday.

Rodger, 22, died at his own hand, slumped behind the wheel of his smashed BMW with three semiautomatic handguns and 410 rounds of ammunition at his side, Brown said.

In those few minutes, Rodger left 10 crimes scenes in a single square mile.


Two Moons

by Two Moons on 05 June 2014 - 00:06

Bee,

 (I guess you just don't have any experience with children or adults on the autism spectrum)

Actually I do, but what's any of this got to do with Elliot?

 

 

50 rounds?

Ya ever try to hit a target from a moving vehicle...LOL

Much less a moving target from a moving vehicle, even harder and more complex.

It takes a special sort of training.

 

 


by beetree on 05 June 2014 - 00:06

Moons, you said you read everything there was on the guy. He was described as classic Aspergers. Was he, in truth? There is something about his lack of eye contact, his seclusion, and how he describes his social interactions that could confirm such a thought, for starters.

The vindictiveness, that is something else. I think he was co-morbid with other deficits. Perhaps, Adam, too. This is in-exact musing, for sure. But I am merely spectulating with my opinion on everything, on this thread. 

He went to the shooting range to understand the use of his weapons. He doesn't seem to bother with proficiency. Why would a god do that? It would be implied, yes; he could do that!

I have never shot a gun, ever! No comment, lol But I usually have beginner's luck in most things like that. LOL


Two Moons

by Two Moons on 05 June 2014 - 00:06

(He was described as classic Aspergers)

By who?

 

And you keep bringing up Adam, why?

Apples and oranges.


by beetree on 05 June 2014 - 01:06

Many news sources have repeated that believed diagnosis.

I believe there are parallels between the two, and an Asperger's label was one of them. The thing is, there has been a significant redefinition of the autism spectrum disorder umbrella with the newest revision of the DSM-5; so, there is grey area. It creates a bit of leeway, on correctness of actions that pertain to helping the diagnosed person. Attitudes have changed since Elliot and Adam were under five years old.

It illustrates that it is not a one-sized-fits-all solution we are looking for.

It is helpful to have a comparison. They also happen to be contemporaries. Why wouldn't we compare them? How else to learn about red flags, for the future. It will only get worse the way it is now. That I think, is undeniable.


Red Sable

by Red Sable on 05 June 2014 - 01:06

Hmm, I think drugs,agenda and mind kontrol, but that's just me :D






 


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