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by noddi on 22 June 2010 - 08:06
no fear,sorry but i have to agree with doppleganger.all dogs have faults but one should take the whole dog into consideration and then weigh up the faults on each animal.i know that tooth faults are considered MAJOR on the german side(to which i belong) but i ask myself WHY?imo.a short and steep upper arm is more detrimental to a dogs working performance than one/two missing teeth,especially if they,ve had to be removed for wotever reason.Carole S.
by NO FEAR on 22 June 2010 - 17:06
Carole
ther is a reason for dis . Missn teeth very heritary .yu ave 1 den 2 den 3 very soon yu ave very few not much gud on a workn dog no teeth.Now if yu wana breed to german standard as y say yu cant pick bits dat suit .read yur standard on missn teeth its SERIOUS fault . i did not write standard .unlike otder tings dis NOT open to interpretation standard very clear on dis
ther is a reason for dis . Missn teeth very heritary .yu ave 1 den 2 den 3 very soon yu ave very few not much gud on a workn dog no teeth.Now if yu wana breed to german standard as y say yu cant pick bits dat suit .read yur standard on missn teeth its SERIOUS fault . i did not write standard .unlike otder tings dis NOT open to interpretation standard very clear on dis
by NikkiF on 22 June 2010 - 21:06
Can I make it very clear please NO FEAR that the female in question has NO missing teeth only a broken tooth.
by Penny on 23 June 2010 - 08:06
Absolutely, clear and corrrect Nikki - I have judged her myself.
I have to say that if No Fear lives up to his name, then he should write properly. He is so afraid of being recognised, he is typing in "babyland" language too -
Mo.
I have to say that if No Fear lives up to his name, then he should write properly. He is so afraid of being recognised, he is typing in "babyland" language too -
Mo.
by Doppelganger on 23 June 2010 - 09:06
Ok if we are talking standards, the KC standard says 'full dentition desirable'. If you look up the meaning of desirable you will see it does not say essential, required or any such description.
As for faults, every KC standard has the following clause:
"Faults
Any departure from the foregoing points should be considered a fault and the seriousness with which the fault should be regarded should be in exact proportion to its degree and its effect upon the health and welfare of the dog."
So tell me how does a missing tooth affect the health and welfare of the dog? As Carole said, there are far worse faults in many dogs being shown, yet some judges (and owners) would discard an otherwise excellent dog purely on the lack of a tooth.
Its a case of getting your priorities right.
As for faults, every KC standard has the following clause:
"Faults
Any departure from the foregoing points should be considered a fault and the seriousness with which the fault should be regarded should be in exact proportion to its degree and its effect upon the health and welfare of the dog."
So tell me how does a missing tooth affect the health and welfare of the dog? As Carole said, there are far worse faults in many dogs being shown, yet some judges (and owners) would discard an otherwise excellent dog purely on the lack of a tooth.
Its a case of getting your priorities right.
by missbeeb on 23 June 2010 - 10:06
Dopple... it's a big deal for our breed to have missing teeth... ignore the KC and its' daft standard.
Many other breeds suffer with the problem of missing teeth... it all started with the acceptance of ONE missing tooth...
by Doppelganger on 23 June 2010 - 11:06
Sorry missbeeb, as long as anyone judges at a KC licensed show they have to judge to the KC standard. If anyone is not prepared to do that, then they should not accept the judging appointment.
by missbeeb on 23 June 2010 - 11:06
Dopple... if we had ONLY adhered to the KC standard, where do you think our breed would be? The GSD fraternity have always taken the, "above and beyond" stance, I see no reason to sink to the KC's level now.
by Videx on 23 June 2010 - 11:06
Alsatianists ignore dentition faults and judge by the KC breed standard in this respect - look at the dentition mess they are in.
Alsatian Champions with 4 or more missing teeth -
missbeeb is absolutely correct - it statrted with acceptance of ONE missing tooth.
Alsatian Champions with 4 or more missing teeth -
missbeeb is absolutely correct - it statrted with acceptance of ONE missing tooth.
by Videx on 23 June 2010 - 11:06
Alsatianists ignore dentition faults and judge by the Kc breed standard - look at the dentition mess they are in.
Alsatian Champions with 4 or more missing teeth -
missbeeb is absolutely correct - it statrted with acceptance of ONE missing tooth.
Alsatian Champions with 4 or more missing teeth -
missbeeb is absolutely correct - it statrted with acceptance of ONE missing tooth.
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