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by Gemini on 02 December 2010 - 01:12

I am going to try to get some pictures but my breeder leases land to some that has some cattle. When he goes to the small ranch he uses my females sire to move the cattle from the land to another side of the land. The dog is really hard and I wont say he herds but moves the cattle. My breeder says he is a sight to see moving and weaving. He took he with the GSD club for doing herding instinct. He only had Jake his male with him to observe but decided to let him try with the akc judge on sheep. John told Jake to move them and he ran hard at the sheep bit the crap out of one and sheep wool was flying. Jake had wool in his mouth.He doesnt do it for a living but only when asked. I think an Am. can do jobs even with some of the "working traits" not exaclty bred in. But personal protection may be more of a miss as that is not something exactly inherit as far as ppd. It is more of a training. There is no ppd instinct evaluation to my knowledge (correct me if I am wrong). I actually want my dog to do herding to help my uncle with his Angus'. Rather her than my 70 yr old uncle with a big piece of carboard. I have seen him do it.
Reggie


Phil Behun

by Phil Behun on 02 December 2010 - 01:12

I saw a jumbo shrimp once then on the way home I saw a meat loaf.

GSD Admin (admin)

by GSD Admin on 02 December 2010 - 01:12

"Can american line be trained for protection?"

We need to get back on topic. Feel free to start a new thread if needed.


Uber Land

by Uber Land on 02 December 2010 - 02:12

Reggie, go for it!
keep us updated on how she does.  these dogs are generally only limited to what the owner can do, not what that pedigree says

by Love My Canine on 02 December 2010 - 02:12

Uber land that is crap. Even the best trainer can only bring a dog to his full genetic potential,no more. If the dog does not have what it takes then you will only get so far.  You can't win the Kentucky derby on a shetland pony.  American line dogs do not have the genetic potential to do REAL protection work. So my offer still stands. $1000 to any american line dog that I can't run off the field. And I won't need any protection gear to do it.

RatPackKing

by RatPackKing on 02 December 2010 - 02:12

I see no reason why an american line can not be trained for protection. Just for the record,  I once taught  a chicken to fuss


Randy





Phil Behun

by Phil Behun on 02 December 2010 - 03:12

I thought chickens were naturally fussy,,,,,,isn't that what all the head bobby/jerky stuff is all about?

by Love My Canine on 02 December 2010 - 04:12

no phil.only working line chickens are naturally fussy. show line chickens just bob their head because they have weak nerves. now the belgian chickalinois are naturally fussy with a great head bob

Uber Land

by Uber Land on 02 December 2010 - 05:12

whats real protection work? a sch3? a PPD which by the way is not a title?

who are you to say an american showline can not do real protection work?  your statements are generalized. it is not logical to state every animal of a given line can not perferom a certain duty.

sueincc

by sueincc on 02 December 2010 - 13:12

I think we can only speak in general terms with a question such as this.  If you want to speak in specific terms, then provide the names of kennels that are regularly producing and placing protection dogs that aren't spooks or nerve bags.  I have no doubt they are out there, but I suspect they are very few and far between.

I have to agree with Slamdunc.   I think he said it best:

"As a generalization, perhaps as a "watch dog" that barks at people approaching your house or car. As a real personal protection dog, I would highly doubt it. Those instincts and drives have been bred out of the American Show line dog for years. When I think of a dog for a PPD, I think of a dog that has supreme confidence, excellent nerves, strong drives and a strong temperament. A dog that enjoys the fight and is willing to engage a man and bite for real. These are not the attributes I would use to describe American Showline dogs.

American Show line dogs make nice pets and are certainly great dogs for people that want a pet. I would never count on them to do more than bark."






 


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