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by sueincc on 10 August 2010 - 05:08
And then there is Jean Donaldson's training method
by Doberdoodle on 10 August 2010 - 07:08
Oh the videos are hilarious. I watch them just to laugh.
Stilwell's 'It's Me or the Dog' show had "Top 10 most difficult cases," Stilwell never has a real problem dog on her show. "Your dog is a severe counter surfer." The big "issues" are dogs that pull or wee on the floor. This episode is funny because they are ADULT dogs, yet she has to "puppy proof" the house with plexiglass panels and special blinds. The dogs are pulling the guy down the street even still at the end of the episode.... and this was the #1 most difficult dog case:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J83WCK174Ng&feature=channel
And this is another bizarre one, a Husky, who is... well, just being an untrained Husky, but is nipping the crap out of the girl, so Stilwell's "positive" solution? Every time he jumps on someone they drag him into the cellar (yes literally drag), and make him stay down there alone until he "calms down." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUREXCizjb0
Victoria Stilwell uses physical intimidation, in the form of body blocking, backing dogs up by stepping towards them, and waving her arms in the air. She also uses verbal corrections such as a-AH and stern tones, and in one episode she does someting quite dangerous by muzzling one aggressive dog but not the other aggressive dog, leaving the muzzled one vulnerable. Her solution for a large dog that bites the leash, seems he resents control, is to take the leash off and just avoid using a leash for the episode.
Stilwell's 'It's Me or the Dog' show had "Top 10 most difficult cases," Stilwell never has a real problem dog on her show. "Your dog is a severe counter surfer." The big "issues" are dogs that pull or wee on the floor. This episode is funny because they are ADULT dogs, yet she has to "puppy proof" the house with plexiglass panels and special blinds. The dogs are pulling the guy down the street even still at the end of the episode.... and this was the #1 most difficult dog case:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J83WCK174Ng&feature=channel
And this is another bizarre one, a Husky, who is... well, just being an untrained Husky, but is nipping the crap out of the girl, so Stilwell's "positive" solution? Every time he jumps on someone they drag him into the cellar (yes literally drag), and make him stay down there alone until he "calms down." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUREXCizjb0
Victoria Stilwell uses physical intimidation, in the form of body blocking, backing dogs up by stepping towards them, and waving her arms in the air. She also uses verbal corrections such as a-AH and stern tones, and in one episode she does someting quite dangerous by muzzling one aggressive dog but not the other aggressive dog, leaving the muzzled one vulnerable. Her solution for a large dog that bites the leash, seems he resents control, is to take the leash off and just avoid using a leash for the episode.
by steve1 on 10 August 2010 - 07:08
I watched 20 seconds of that woman, her put on facial Gawps put me right off i could not watch any more,
Yes, i would love to put a Shock Collar around her neck to bring her back to normality, She is awful and her voice is monotone, I have seen some False put on attitudes but hers takes the Biscuit
Steve1
Yes, i would love to put a Shock Collar around her neck to bring her back to normality, She is awful and her voice is monotone, I have seen some False put on attitudes but hers takes the Biscuit
Steve1
by Diane Jessup on 10 August 2010 - 21:08
OK guys, how do you REALLY feela bout Victoria! LOL : )
All dog training on TV is "entertainment" not training, and I consider her a counterbalance to Milan's choking and kicking. (shrugs)
The trend towards "100% positive never say no" zealots should alarm us all.
I agree that all dog training (and just about everything else) goes in fads. I *don't* think you will see positive training going away in marine mammal, entertainment, exotic, detection and other types of training. But I have no doubt that when the hordes of "Petsmart Clicker Trainers" get tired of their dogs not responding they WILL indeed resort to violence (Ok, just through that in to wake you up! lol!)
I think there is one HUGE piece of information missing here. I think that many, many non positive trainers think that positive trainers NEVER Correct behavior. I blame myself for not being clearer sooner. Just AS with kids, you cannot let them "run amok". No way. Too dangerous. However, to me there is a HUGE difference between sitting down to teach my kid math, and his everyday, running around the house. Same with my dogs. Around the house there are rules (a few!) and relationships that must be respected. My dogs are rarely on leash, so I'mnot in a position to use leash corrections, but do use voice corrections. No prob.
BUT.
When I take my dog out to LEARN A BEHAVIOR, this is when I use positive training. I'm sorry I wasnt clearer about that. When *I* speak of positive training, I am talking about the times when I am associating a word with an action. Hope that helps. Hand falling asleep, gotta go!
All dog training on TV is "entertainment" not training, and I consider her a counterbalance to Milan's choking and kicking. (shrugs)
The trend towards "100% positive never say no" zealots should alarm us all.
I agree that all dog training (and just about everything else) goes in fads. I *don't* think you will see positive training going away in marine mammal, entertainment, exotic, detection and other types of training. But I have no doubt that when the hordes of "Petsmart Clicker Trainers" get tired of their dogs not responding they WILL indeed resort to violence (Ok, just through that in to wake you up! lol!)
I think there is one HUGE piece of information missing here. I think that many, many non positive trainers think that positive trainers NEVER Correct behavior. I blame myself for not being clearer sooner. Just AS with kids, you cannot let them "run amok". No way. Too dangerous. However, to me there is a HUGE difference between sitting down to teach my kid math, and his everyday, running around the house. Same with my dogs. Around the house there are rules (a few!) and relationships that must be respected. My dogs are rarely on leash, so I'mnot in a position to use leash corrections, but do use voice corrections. No prob.
BUT.
When I take my dog out to LEARN A BEHAVIOR, this is when I use positive training. I'm sorry I wasnt clearer about that. When *I* speak of positive training, I am talking about the times when I am associating a word with an action. Hope that helps. Hand falling asleep, gotta go!
by Myracle on 12 August 2010 - 04:08
Playin' with the dog, as promised.
by Ruger1 on 12 August 2010 - 05:08
mudwick....what a cute video.....you should have started a new thread so more people could enjoy it....What method did you use to get her to turn around like that?????
Ruger1
Ruger1
by Myracle on 12 August 2010 - 05:08
I was forced to resort to luring initially, as much as I dislike it.
I think I had to lure her about three times before the lightbulb went on that it was the turning that was being rewarded.
After that, I was able to stop the lure completely.
I think I had to lure her about three times before the lightbulb went on that it was the turning that was being rewarded.
After that, I was able to stop the lure completely.
by Ruger1 on 12 August 2010 - 05:08
ah...ha...
by Myracle on 12 August 2010 - 05:08
Gotta love contradicting myself, eh?
Unfortunately all her offered behaviors involved facing me, since eye contact is her default in every situation. It just did not occur to her to turn away from me, and I was hesitant to ruin our send out by cuing her in that manner to move away from me.
Unfortunately all her offered behaviors involved facing me, since eye contact is her default in every situation. It just did not occur to her to turn away from me, and I was hesitant to ruin our send out by cuing her in that manner to move away from me.
by Ruger1 on 12 August 2010 - 05:08
I am certainly not going to question you....she is a very nice dog and you have done a great job with her....
Ruger1
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