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by Preston on 08 July 2011 - 20:07
gg, you still don't get it. What I presented are not my ideas. I have been presenting (parrotting) the ideas of experts in this area and reference to some important documents. You have refused to evaluate the evidence and argue for or against it. no-one wants to discuss these docs or their meaning for our society.
And sock, you say I hijacked this thread. Not, I have been posting evidence about hypothesis provided by established experts in the area of this topic line and the reasons for the unfortunate occurrence in Tuscon, ie creeping tyranny. Nothing I have posted is in anyway anything original from me. That's the funny part, you assume these are my ideas and I am the originator. There is nothing farther than the truth than that claim or assumption.
These ideas come from Oath Keepers, Rep. Ron Paul, Steve Pieczenik, MD, Ph.D., Kay Griggs, Chip Tatum, Ron Rewald, Gov. Jesse Ventura, WPLG TV in Miami, Bradley Ayers, CIA Gen. Inspector Hitz, Diane Kinsey, Jim Marrs, Alex Jones, Architects for 911 Truth, Pilots for 911 Truth, and many, many more as listed in my posts above. None of it originated with me, I regurgitated and cited all of it from experts, docs and sources and listed them so you could do your own research. You appear to merely be resentful of the meaning of the ideas and have tried to transfer that to me and blame me for what these experts are on record saying. I think you should criticize the folks that have originated them. I have been very careful to only list information from others, not originating with me.
I really don't care what folks do with the information. Presenting it for fair consideration is what I care about so that everyone has access to evaluate it and decide for themselves. This country America (land of the free and the brave)has been good to me and I sincerely believe I am obligated to do my part defending it from enemies outside and within it. Awareness is the first stage of correction of high Govt corruption. I cherish the US Constitution and Bill of Rights and am thankful for all that our Founding Fathers did starting our Republic and all the brave men and women that have given their lives to defend it, whether they be military, police, or civilians. I believe our Govt has been bought and sold and has turned its back on "we the people". But that is my belief and folks must decide for themselves after considering what many experts that I have sourced have claimed. As some top experts have stated many times, heavily militarized swat teams during high risk fast entries have become the norm thanks to Govt trafficked drugs turning our cities into urban warzones and the BATF & CIA training arming and supporting drug cartels.
It is important to understand that I jumped in because of the bullying of a very Patriotic poster who is a standup person (a very good person and a true Patriot) which was reported to me and it wasn't Yellowrose either and she was not the one that requested me to participate in this line of posts, nor was it BabyEagle who asked me to participate and set things straight with docs and good sources. Several folks have tried to turn this into "I am smarter than you" i.e. a p*ssing match and miss the whole point of how experts have gone on the public record identifying and desscribing high Govt corruption and crimes as a cause of creeping tyranny. It really doesn't bother me if some posters get angry at my message, because I didn't originate any of it. I have never lost a debate yet because I use well known and accepted docss and expert's ideas to make my point. I am just the message bearer and the collater. So there you have it. Cheers and a happy afternoon to all.
And sock, you say I hijacked this thread. Not, I have been posting evidence about hypothesis provided by established experts in the area of this topic line and the reasons for the unfortunate occurrence in Tuscon, ie creeping tyranny. Nothing I have posted is in anyway anything original from me. That's the funny part, you assume these are my ideas and I am the originator. There is nothing farther than the truth than that claim or assumption.
These ideas come from Oath Keepers, Rep. Ron Paul, Steve Pieczenik, MD, Ph.D., Kay Griggs, Chip Tatum, Ron Rewald, Gov. Jesse Ventura, WPLG TV in Miami, Bradley Ayers, CIA Gen. Inspector Hitz, Diane Kinsey, Jim Marrs, Alex Jones, Architects for 911 Truth, Pilots for 911 Truth, and many, many more as listed in my posts above. None of it originated with me, I regurgitated and cited all of it from experts, docs and sources and listed them so you could do your own research. You appear to merely be resentful of the meaning of the ideas and have tried to transfer that to me and blame me for what these experts are on record saying. I think you should criticize the folks that have originated them. I have been very careful to only list information from others, not originating with me.
I really don't care what folks do with the information. Presenting it for fair consideration is what I care about so that everyone has access to evaluate it and decide for themselves. This country America (land of the free and the brave)has been good to me and I sincerely believe I am obligated to do my part defending it from enemies outside and within it. Awareness is the first stage of correction of high Govt corruption. I cherish the US Constitution and Bill of Rights and am thankful for all that our Founding Fathers did starting our Republic and all the brave men and women that have given their lives to defend it, whether they be military, police, or civilians. I believe our Govt has been bought and sold and has turned its back on "we the people". But that is my belief and folks must decide for themselves after considering what many experts that I have sourced have claimed. As some top experts have stated many times, heavily militarized swat teams during high risk fast entries have become the norm thanks to Govt trafficked drugs turning our cities into urban warzones and the BATF & CIA training arming and supporting drug cartels.
It is important to understand that I jumped in because of the bullying of a very Patriotic poster who is a standup person (a very good person and a true Patriot) which was reported to me and it wasn't Yellowrose either and she was not the one that requested me to participate in this line of posts, nor was it BabyEagle who asked me to participate and set things straight with docs and good sources. Several folks have tried to turn this into "I am smarter than you" i.e. a p*ssing match and miss the whole point of how experts have gone on the public record identifying and desscribing high Govt corruption and crimes as a cause of creeping tyranny. It really doesn't bother me if some posters get angry at my message, because I didn't originate any of it. I have never lost a debate yet because I use well known and accepted docss and expert's ideas to make my point. I am just the message bearer and the collater. So there you have it. Cheers and a happy afternoon to all.
by ggturner on 08 July 2011 - 20:07
BE--I never made a personal comment on the marine case. It is a tragic story. Sorry this thread got off topic. I am partly responsible for that. You know I don't agree with you about Ron Paul, but I do agree with you about defending the Constitution. However, I do not think individuals should use this thread to promote conspiracy theories on multiple topics.
by Sock Puppet on 08 July 2011 - 21:07
Preston the topic is 26 year old Iraq Veteran Gunned Down At Home not how many conspiracies you can find on youtube. You can spin it anyway you want, but you did hi-jack this thread and took it a mile off topic.
I highly doubt that this 26 year old Iraq veteran had much to do with 911 or most of the other 30 pages you have contributed to this thread.
A patriot poster? LMAO. I know who you mean and that is a joke. He is the only other person who spoke out. Unbelievable. Stand up. LMAO, still.
"My purpose for coming to Oli's off topic section to make these posts is because I was asked to do so based on my experinece and background. I had been told that some folks were making cocky il-informed posts and being abusive to certain posters. So I agreed to vist this off topic section and kick the rock out of the way to see who would take the bait."
BTW, what about your kill the messenger comments. It seems to me that is exactly why you are here posting. Pretty shitty if you ask me. IMO with your above words your credibility is gone.
You admit to wanting to kill the messenger and then cry that is what people are doing to you. Funny isn't it? I like the total projection and deflection by you.
I highly doubt that this 26 year old Iraq veteran had much to do with 911 or most of the other 30 pages you have contributed to this thread.
A patriot poster? LMAO. I know who you mean and that is a joke. He is the only other person who spoke out. Unbelievable. Stand up. LMAO, still.
"My purpose for coming to Oli's off topic section to make these posts is because I was asked to do so based on my experinece and background. I had been told that some folks were making cocky il-informed posts and being abusive to certain posters. So I agreed to vist this off topic section and kick the rock out of the way to see who would take the bait."
BTW, what about your kill the messenger comments. It seems to me that is exactly why you are here posting. Pretty shitty if you ask me. IMO with your above words your credibility is gone.
You admit to wanting to kill the messenger and then cry that is what people are doing to you. Funny isn't it? I like the total projection and deflection by you.
by Preston on 08 July 2011 - 21:07
gg, you need to also understand when you come on an international forum and post from a limited scope perspective that others may provides docs and references to experts who make claims which point in a different direction for the etiology of swats gone bad. You made statements as if you knew what was really going on. I read your posts and disagreed heartily with some because of my knowledge of what some highly qualified, well accepted experts have stated. Then I posted the claims of these experts and sourced them, and backed up their ideas with actual completely validated documents.
Instead of evaluating the evidence, you skipped it and just kept questioning my credentials which have nothing to do with my regurgitating the claims of established experts like Steve Pieczenik, MD, Ph.D, for one of many I listed. Why keep arguing about my posting and skipping the content of the claims of the actual well accepted experts. Now you know the difference I am sure because of you extensive higher education and profession.
It is obvious that the ideas of the experts and the docs I presented appear to have generated anger or frustration with you, sock and bee. Sorry, but it would be better for you to contact Steve Pieczenik and the others and express your anger to them and if you think they are liars and fakers, accuse them of that, because their ideas originated with them. PM me and I'll provide you with contact information to make those accusations. I get your message you think I am the originator, an idiot, etc. But alas, I am not the originator, just the regurgitator. Since when is a person bad to present novel ideas from experts who originated them. On the otherhand, mocking a poster who is a good patriot is not okay. And some of you have transferred that to me, which is fine with me. I am used to it based on the business I have been in. Sorry but you have been outgunned by some very big experts whom I have cited, referenced, quoted and provided related validated documents. Some of these experts are top experts and highly respected in their fields. that is why I presented their ideas.
I believe in the first amendment and the free exchange of ideas as does Oli apparently. That is probably why he set up the off topic section. You act as if you do not like the free exchange of the ideas of the experts I have quoted, referenced and the docs I have referenced. Sure the truth can be painful to those who are shocked by it, from whom it was hidden. Like the wizard of OZ movie, where dorothy jerked back the curtain and saw who the wizard really was, the experts I have referenced and the docs I have sourced serve to jerk back the curtain of lies of a big RICO off shore based criminal syndicate that hijacked our Fed. Govt. This idea did not originate with me, by the way.
When the curtain hiding the the rampant corruption in Govt, intel and alphabets is pulled back and the truth is revealed, a typical response can be anger, denial, incredulity, refusal to look (some cover their eyes). But eventually it sinks in as folks begin to connect the dots. If the economy continues to worsen in the next several years and the dollar crashes as the world's reserve currency, many folks will start connecting the dots very, very quickly then.
Instead of evaluating the evidence, you skipped it and just kept questioning my credentials which have nothing to do with my regurgitating the claims of established experts like Steve Pieczenik, MD, Ph.D, for one of many I listed. Why keep arguing about my posting and skipping the content of the claims of the actual well accepted experts. Now you know the difference I am sure because of you extensive higher education and profession.
It is obvious that the ideas of the experts and the docs I presented appear to have generated anger or frustration with you, sock and bee. Sorry, but it would be better for you to contact Steve Pieczenik and the others and express your anger to them and if you think they are liars and fakers, accuse them of that, because their ideas originated with them. PM me and I'll provide you with contact information to make those accusations. I get your message you think I am the originator, an idiot, etc. But alas, I am not the originator, just the regurgitator. Since when is a person bad to present novel ideas from experts who originated them. On the otherhand, mocking a poster who is a good patriot is not okay. And some of you have transferred that to me, which is fine with me. I am used to it based on the business I have been in. Sorry but you have been outgunned by some very big experts whom I have cited, referenced, quoted and provided related validated documents. Some of these experts are top experts and highly respected in their fields. that is why I presented their ideas.
I believe in the first amendment and the free exchange of ideas as does Oli apparently. That is probably why he set up the off topic section. You act as if you do not like the free exchange of the ideas of the experts I have quoted, referenced and the docs I have referenced. Sure the truth can be painful to those who are shocked by it, from whom it was hidden. Like the wizard of OZ movie, where dorothy jerked back the curtain and saw who the wizard really was, the experts I have referenced and the docs I have sourced serve to jerk back the curtain of lies of a big RICO off shore based criminal syndicate that hijacked our Fed. Govt. This idea did not originate with me, by the way.
When the curtain hiding the the rampant corruption in Govt, intel and alphabets is pulled back and the truth is revealed, a typical response can be anger, denial, incredulity, refusal to look (some cover their eyes). But eventually it sinks in as folks begin to connect the dots. If the economy continues to worsen in the next several years and the dollar crashes as the world's reserve currency, many folks will start connecting the dots very, very quickly then.
by Preston on 08 July 2011 - 21:07
By the way, Steve Pieczenik is not a conspiracy theorist. He deals only in facts and reality. What he has stated about 911 being a false flag/stand-down attack (inside job) is based on facts he knows for certain, not theory. He is a witness who has said he will testify in federal court. He names real names of persons who did 911.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU2n1UiY3I0
If what he claims is true, the the Govt, USAF, and neocons have generated great tyranny as such would be required to plan and institute a false flag/stand=-down attack of the magnitude of 911. Mass murdering 3,000+ plus innocent citizens, police and firefighters is and act of complete tyranny. And now some experts say that 911 was used a springboard used by the Govt as a pretext or excuse to generate continuing tyranny via the out of control TSA, which some experts have called the new American Gestapo. And it appears that 911 was used as a pretext to justify perpetual unprovoked, illegal, unConstitutional wars. there was never any real evidence Osama bin Laden was involved in 911 (FBI says so) nor any evidence Saddam Husseain ahd any weapons of mass destruction (CIA analysts have said so). So this means the post 911 attacks against Afghanistan and the invasion of Iraq were based on "big lies" which have been proven to be BIG Lies.
Now how about we address and discuss Dr. Pieczenik's claims and their implications if true in a civil, respectful manner and how the average law abiding good patriot and citizen ("we the people") should respond within the context of remaining a good law abiding citizen?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU2n1UiY3I0
If what he claims is true, the the Govt, USAF, and neocons have generated great tyranny as such would be required to plan and institute a false flag/stand=-down attack of the magnitude of 911. Mass murdering 3,000+ plus innocent citizens, police and firefighters is and act of complete tyranny. And now some experts say that 911 was used a springboard used by the Govt as a pretext or excuse to generate continuing tyranny via the out of control TSA, which some experts have called the new American Gestapo. And it appears that 911 was used as a pretext to justify perpetual unprovoked, illegal, unConstitutional wars. there was never any real evidence Osama bin Laden was involved in 911 (FBI says so) nor any evidence Saddam Husseain ahd any weapons of mass destruction (CIA analysts have said so). So this means the post 911 attacks against Afghanistan and the invasion of Iraq were based on "big lies" which have been proven to be BIG Lies.
Now how about we address and discuss Dr. Pieczenik's claims and their implications if true in a civil, respectful manner and how the average law abiding good patriot and citizen ("we the people") should respond within the context of remaining a good law abiding citizen?
by beetree on 08 July 2011 - 21:07
I had so many cocky il formed (sp) replies, I just couldn't make up my mind. 
Information overload, I think!
by Sock Puppet on 08 July 2011 - 21:07
What about you answering your words?
"My purpose for coming to Oli's off topic section to make these posts is because I was asked to do so based on my experinece and background. I had been told that some folks were making cocky il-informed posts and being abusive to certain posters. So I agreed to vist this off topic section and kick the rock out of the way to see who would take the bait."
Kill the messenger is exactly what you were asked to do and then to cry you are this wounded messenger. Pretty typical. LMAO, still.
The topic is 26 year old Iraq Veteran Gunned Down At Home not 911 and Steve Pieczenik.
So go ahead kill the messenger and then claim others are doing it to you and I will be here watching you continue to hi-jack this thread.
"My purpose for coming to Oli's off topic section to make these posts is because I was asked to do so based on my experinece and background. I had been told that some folks were making cocky il-informed posts and being abusive to certain posters. So I agreed to vist this off topic section and kick the rock out of the way to see who would take the bait."
Kill the messenger is exactly what you were asked to do and then to cry you are this wounded messenger. Pretty typical. LMAO, still.
The topic is 26 year old Iraq Veteran Gunned Down At Home not 911 and Steve Pieczenik.
So go ahead kill the messenger and then claim others are doing it to you and I will be here watching you continue to hi-jack this thread.
by BabyEagle4U on 08 July 2011 - 21:07
Haters will hate.
by Preston on 08 July 2011 - 22:07
Sock, you still don't get it. I don't need any credibility. The sources and docs I reference already do, and guess what, they have it in spades. If a ten year old child presented respected sources and docs because they were good at using professional resource tracing and search services, then it wouldn't matter what the child thought, what would matter would be what thee accepted experts thought and what the docs shown. It is the experts and the docs that are key.
I have cited experts that truly believe 911 was an example of creeping govt tyranny and nazification, and that the TSA's sexual groping and dangerous use of unlicensed, unmetered Xrays with no backscatter protection for TSA employees is also part of this continuing creeping tyranny as is the the more and more frequent use of militarized fast entry swat home invasions in response to the massive quantities of illegal drugs trafficked into the USA by the UA Govt and the massive numbers of high powered weapons provided to drug cartels trained and financed by US intel.
Here is an interesting interview of Paul Craig Roberts, Ph.D., former Asst Secretary of the Treasury under Pres. Ronald Reagan, a respected economist and originator of "reaganomics".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_SFpydA2Wk&feature=related
I have cited experts that truly believe 911 was an example of creeping govt tyranny and nazification, and that the TSA's sexual groping and dangerous use of unlicensed, unmetered Xrays with no backscatter protection for TSA employees is also part of this continuing creeping tyranny as is the the more and more frequent use of militarized fast entry swat home invasions in response to the massive quantities of illegal drugs trafficked into the USA by the UA Govt and the massive numbers of high powered weapons provided to drug cartels trained and financed by US intel.
Here is an interesting interview of Paul Craig Roberts, Ph.D., former Asst Secretary of the Treasury under Pres. Ronald Reagan, a respected economist and originator of "reaganomics".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_SFpydA2Wk&feature=related
by Ninja181 on 08 July 2011 - 22:07
"I will be here watching you continue to hi-jack this thread".
Is this some kind of threat?
Is this some kind of threat?
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