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Doppledanger.totally agree with ya.come on guys,lets stop all this nastiness.it only says one thing to me....THE DREADED GREEN EYED MONSTER....JEALOUSY.Why cant one be happy for our fellow exhibitors.be gracious,even if yu dont feel like it.lifes too short for all this arguing.i thought the 2 judges at the 2 day judged honestly.didnt go on the 2nd day so cant comment on the adult classes,but on day 1 thought that they both did a good job.i certainly would enter under either of these 2 judges.in fact had there been a veteran bitch class,THEN CHIKI WOULD HAVE BEEN ENTERED,regardless of who else might have been entered.just stop and think of how the bitch ticket winner is feeling now with all these comments flying on here.to the owners i say take no notice ,yu won and no one can take it away and tho i,m not a friend of yours......heres to bine getting her other 2 ccs and championship title as she surely deserves it imo.it makes a nice change to see other worthy animals winning the top honours instead of the normal faces.Carole S.
So were the judges using KC or SV criteria when deciding the placings at this KC show ?, or did they alternate between both to play doggy politics, the fact that some of the biggest noises in the breed think there's nothing wrong with this kind of behaviour makes me think that when the KC has been discarded there will be nothing to stop this.
oh ,how the can of worms is slowly creeping out from underneath the rocks.why is it that when animals who are not normally at the front of the line win,do people start questioning the judging.i have a question to ask,no names mentioned but how come a judge this year has given a top placing to an animal that was obviously unsound behind.i have been informed by someone from the other side that they have had numerous phonecalls in this respect and they werent even at the show.perhaps these are the judges we should be discussing not ones who are judging fairly.Carole S.
Hi Spectator,
As you probably know, I was there, and took second in open female to the CC winner. May I put the record straight. The judging was done well, and the decision on the class was a foregone conclusion when Beine put in such a performance and looked so well. The fact that she may have been given the Koerung report to explain a dentition irregularity is neither here nor there at an Sv type show, as the paperwork is there and apparent to the judge.
I can see the point about the Koerung being the paperwork shown, under the circumstances of it being a KC show. My feelings here go to the judge, as she looked at what sh was presented with, and I am so sure that even without it, Biene would have gone forward in first place.... dont shoot the messenger I say. Lets get ring etiquette in place for our shows SV style too, as ther have to be rules, and a level playing field.
Personally, in this instance, I feel the playing field was level, and was wuite content that I was next to this CC winner.
Mo.
mo whil i like yur style yu are wrong how can it be level playn field when present a koreung dis very detailed information n while aceptable in german system certaily not in kc system .THIS IS NOT VET LETTER n without dis the female would not certanly ave won no matter how gud condition n performance .info out der is dat dis female has at least 2 missn teeth now it wud be very interestn if dis true .Bite work damage break loosen teeth but very seldom pull teeth especial 2 or more
Mo, I have no issues with this show in particular the bitch winner is owned by one of the straightest people in the breed so good luck to her, maybe it would have been fairer though if the judge had been given a catalogue after the Korung issue to even things up ?, I would imagine if these judges are as smart as you suggest she knew all about the missing tooth and probably where it is now too.
If this show was KC licensed then under their rules nothing should be done to identify the exhibits to the judge. Should an exhibitor have a 'permission to show' letter then this should be given to the steward before judging commences so that they may notify the judge that it has been seen and what the condition is, which would allow them to take it into account but still not know the identity of the dog concerned, which obviously would be on the KC letter.
The 'permission to show' referred to above is only for 'acts or operations' and if a dog has lost teeth naturally then there would be no need to request permission to show as there was no operation to remove them (if this is indeed the case).
However, even if the owner now submits a request for permission to show, the hatchet job has already been done and as this kangaroo court has already decided she is guilty it seems to me she will be pre-judged whenever shown again.
Ok a mistake was made showing the Koerung paperwork, even if it was the only thing the owner had to prove the teeth had all been present, but did it really make any difference to the judge knowing the name etc of the dog? I know of no other breed where one item such as a missing tooth holds so much sway when judging. It is one fault to be taken into consideration against the whole dog, which as I understand it is a pretty good animal in anyone's books.
doppelganger
a missing tooth is considerd a MAJOR fault when shown the correct type o gsd . to ave 2 or 3 missin wud ask alot o questions
no fear,sorry but i have to agree with doppleganger.all dogs have faults but one should take the whole dog into consideration and then weigh up the faults on each animal.i know that tooth faults are considered MAJOR on the german side(to which i belong) but i ask myself WHY?imo.a short and steep upper arm is more detrimental to a dogs working performance than one/two missing teeth,especially if they,ve had to be removed for wotever reason.Carole S.
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